Source Audio C4 Modular Synth Pedal

anxiousmofo

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Bob is actually a bit more interested in the moment at creating the tools to create the sounds. Nathan has been more on the front line of creating the sounds.
FOR THE RECORD:
The first units of C4 will have presets as follows:
3 crated by Nathan
1 created by Jesse
2 created by the community: Funky Dragon and Flashlight Bass (which sounds great on guitar)

I am going to say that the power in the community to create sounds is massive already and only going to get more intense. This, unlike any SA pedal, really shines in the world of community presets.
That's rather disappointing, but okay. There are a number of impressive community presets, but given that people are still fumbling with levels, learning the controls, and many presets were published based on an old build with some functional glitches, that just seems weird. I know it will grow and there is a talented user base, but it is a dicey launch decision IMHO.
 

LionVerse

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We are trying to make the following process REALLY REALLY easy:
  1. Browse
  2. Burn
  3. Play
  4. Repeat as necessary
With the new Desktop and Mobile, you can browse popular sounds and in one step burn that sound to the toggle switch. We realize there is a world of players that want to easily find and burn a sound that they like. If you have a pedal that has 11 sounds that you can then modify 11 ways, I think it harder, not easier.
Too easy! I got some time to spend with the C4 yesterday intending to make some presets but there were so many new ones shared that I lost over an hour trying them all....
 

LSMFT6

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That's rather disappointing, but okay. There are a number of impressive community presets, but given that people are still fumbling with levels, learning the controls, and many presets were published based on an old build with some functional glitches, that just seems weird. I know it will grow and there is a talented user base, but it is a dicey launch decision IMHO.
I’m pretty sure Roger was referring to the 6 presets that will be available on the C4 itself, not just the ones available in the cloud. There are certainly already more than 3 Cloud presets that Nathan has created.
 

anxiousmofo

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I’m pretty sure Roger was referring to the 6 presets that will be available on the C4 itself, not just the ones available in the cloud. There are certainly already more than 3 Cloud presets that Nathan has created.
Beta #9 here; I'm aware. Nathan's presets are top notch but very much weighted toward bass. Just surprised there is nothing from Bob, since it his baby and he knows better than anyone what the architecture will allow.
 

rsmith601

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Beta #9 here; I'm aware. Nathan's presets are top notch but very much weighted toward bass. Just surprised there is nothing from Bob, since it his baby and he knows better than anyone what the architecture will allow.
I just talked to Bob. His response:
"Alright. As soon as we finish all the final polishing, I will do that. But you should warn them that my presets might sound like Charlie Christian in the 1940s!!"
 

anxiousmofo

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I just talked to Bob. His response:
"Alright. As soon as we finish all the final polishing, I will do that. But you should warn them that my presets might sound like Charlie Christian in the 1940s!!"
Love it! Thanks to you both. I'm down for as much Charlie Christian as he wants to dish out.
 
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Lots of great input on this forum. I had looked at that Boss SY1 and used the preset simulator on the website.Not much there useful for bass,probably ok for guitar. Personally not interested without being able to program the thing,that's half the fun! As far as poly vs mono...my cyberbass is capable of multiple modes of both..still 98% of the time runs in mono. Presets are ok,the thing should make some sound when you get it but most of time whether keyboard,module,pedal,etc. I dump the majority of the factory stuff anyway. Hats off to Source Audio for making these pedals for those that like to program and tweak!
 

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Flip362

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I watched the sy-1 video... didn’t hear a lot of usable stuff for my applications. Mono hurts me at this point. I’m excited to have stuff go straight out to delay and reverb, then other stuff back into the looper. Going to test that this weekend after the wedding!
 

misa

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I am playing with a beta version of Android. Looking good. Better than expected.

By the way, the editor is now public and might be fun for folks to poke at. (view the offline editor with no pedal attached)
https://www.sourceaudio.net/editorsandfirmware.html
Sweet! Now I can finally dive into the menus. I'm excited to finally pick one of these up. My first priority will be to emulate some of my favorite envelope filters, but then will be to try and emulate some of my favorite patches on a Deep Impact and my Moog monosynths.
 

jondom22

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Since the SY-1 was brought up...based on the SY-1 demos (or at least the "sound tryout" doohikcy on their website), the sounds on the SY-1 seem similar to a lot of the factory presets in the SY-300, which I didn't care for (and another reason why a lot of people passed on the SY-300). Tho I believe the rate/depth knobs can control some other parameters that might make it sound better. I do think the SY-1 will be popular cos it's simple and assuming it tracks well like the SY-300, but it def has that particular sound which kinda is a bit cheesy.

The SY-300's square wave oscillator is really the only one I use, the others kinda sound ehhhh. But stacking 3 different square wave pitches and using filters (expression, envelope, or LFO) and maybe some pitch bending is where you can get more creative and get some real nice and dirty sounds. The arps, plus 6 LFOs (to control filter, pitch or volume), slicer, iso, pitch vibrato (via chorus) are what I mainly use in it.

I think with the C4 my main interest will be first using the filters and distortions (bit crushing, fuzzier stuff) because that will be polyphonic and synth-like, and then go-around messing with oscillators. I think the key to marketing the C4 will be really promoting about 50 very well-designed factory presets as a simple download from the editor to make it as easy as possible for people simply download, plug and play (kinda like collecting pogs, or pokemon or wtvr the hell ppl did in the 90s). And feature filter/distortion presets with and without pitch sequencer and tremelo stuff so they can easily play without having to alter their technique. At that point, they get a ton more sounds that are more unique and interesting, easily swappable, and for $40 more. Link them to the DA dmc.micro to get up to 127 presets if they want them once they get hooked on swapping presets.
 
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I am playing with a beta version of Android. Looking good. Better than expected.

By the way, the editor is now public and might be fun for folks to poke at. (view the offline editor with no pedal attached)
https://www.sourceaudio.net/editorsandfirmware.html
I was just checking this out. Looks nice!
One little feedback related to the editor (not specific to C4 screen): can you add "load the factory settings for this engine" option when changing modes/engines/presets? The app always asks for this when changing modes and it is very helpful. It would be nice to have it in the desktop editor as well.
 
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I am playing with a beta version of Android. Looking good. Better than expected.

By the way, the editor is now public and might be fun for folks to poke at. (view the offline editor with no pedal attached)
https://www.sourceaudio.net/editorsandfirmware.html
OMG! Nice to get a look ,BUT cruel to those that don't have it yet! Just kidding..can't wait to get going on this box. I expected the editor to be more complex...seems really straightforward, looking good so far.
 

Gibs210

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Is there an ETA for the mobile app working for the C4? I mean, assuming sometime before the 16th but specifically.
I am playing with a beta version of Android. Looking good. Better than expected.

By the way, the editor is now public and might be fun for folks to poke at. (view the offline editor with no pedal attached)
https://www.sourceaudio.net/editorsandfirmware.html
I played with it a little today, I’m digging the layout, small while still powerful, I think I like it better than the current style for the other pedals, and I liked that over the original app layout a lot! It did crash on me once when I tried to open the sequencer windows. Also, not sure if this is a leftover from true spring, but I noticed that the external switch options included a tremolo bypass, was that option added to c4, or is it just something Jesse missed while building the editor? Only thing I’d change on it is to add some color to the menus similar to the current editing windows for the app, but I’m liking it, seems to be the most intuitive thus far, which is saying a lot considering how complicated this pedal is.
 

rsmith601

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I was just checking this out. Looks nice!
One little feedback related to the editor (not specific to C4 screen): can you add "load the factory settings for this engine" option when changing modes/engines/presets? The app always asks for this when changing modes and it is very helpful. It would be nice to have it in the desktop editor as well.
The factory settings per engine is not really the same concept as in the Nemesis/Ventris. The C4 is really a different beast. Note that presets rule in the land of the C4. They are (in general) well crafted.
 

rsmith601

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Sweet! Now I can finally dive into the menus. I'm excited to finally pick one of these up. My first priority will be to emulate some of my favorite envelope filters, but then will be to try and emulate some of my favorite patches on a Deep Impact and my Moog monosynths.
You can do all this.....and much more.....
 




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