Source Audio C4 Modular Synth Pedal

Quatschmacher

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George Duke's Funny Funk.
I’d actually forgotten how cool this track is! Thanks for reminding me! I’m going to see if I can recreate this sound on C4 when I get time and will post it (but imagine it might be a job for the FI due to the specific envelope shape required - sounds like it’s got a higher sustain phase than is currently possible on C4).

I actually bought those George Duke albums back when I got really into Rhodes piano. Listening to “ l Feel” again is making me love it even more for all the cool synth parts that I probably wasn’t paying attention to on the first listens.
 
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Quatschmacher

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@rsmith601 in a (non-immediate) future update would it be possible to amend the behaviour of the level indicators in the filter, distortion and mix sections of the editor such that, if a voice is muted, it does not appear in the level indicators? I feel this would give better visual feedback as to what is going on in any given preset; if a preset is only using one or two voices, it’ll be immediately obvious as only those voices’ levels will be visible. Just a suggestion.
 

rsmith601

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@benevan, @Christian Surieux and anyone else who cares......great news. Jesse was able to save a complete set of C4 preset parameters to his Hub today. It is NOT a pointer to a preset, it is actually saving all of the knobs and parameters. This means that he has created the Hub firmware and also the C4 pedal firmware that will make this all work. The last step is to update the Neuro Desktop to ensure it can also make it all happen. When that is done, we will need to test it. If there are a few hard core Hub users and C4 users who want to help test. Please send me a PM. Our plan is to roll all of this out publicly in 4 weeks or less. What a relief!! It was worrying me.....
 

anxiousmofo

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@benevan, @Christian Surieux and anyone else who cares......great news. Jesse was able to save a complete set of C4 preset parameters to his Hub today. It is NOT a pointer to a preset, it is actually saving all of the knobs and parameters. This means that he has created the Hub firmware and also the C4 pedal firmware that will make this all work. The last step is to update the Neuro Desktop to ensure it can also make it all happen. When that is done, we will need to test it. If there are a few hard core Hub users and C4 users who want to help test. Please send me a PM. Our plan is to roll all of this out publicly in 4 weeks or less. What a relief!! It was worrying me.....
Great news!
 

Gibs210

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@benevan, @Christian Surieux and anyone else who cares......great news. Jesse was able to save a complete set of C4 preset parameters to his Hub today. It is NOT a pointer to a preset, it is actually saving all of the knobs and parameters. This means that he has created the Hub firmware and also the C4 pedal firmware that will make this all work. The last step is to update the Neuro Desktop to ensure it can also make it all happen. When that is done, we will need to test it. If there are a few hard core Hub users and C4 users who want to help test. Please send me a PM. Our plan is to roll all of this out publicly in 4 weeks or less. What a relief!! It was worrying me.....
At this point, do I even need to ask anymore?
 
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@benevan, @Christian Surieux and anyone else who cares......great news. Jesse was able to save a complete set of C4 preset parameters to his Hub today. It is NOT a pointer to a preset, it is actually saving all of the knobs and parameters. This means that he has created the Hub firmware and also the C4 pedal firmware that will make this all work. The last step is to update the Neuro Desktop to ensure it can also make it all happen. When that is done, we will need to test it. If there are a few hard core Hub users and C4 users who want to help test. Please send me a PM. Our plan is to roll all of this out publicly in 4 weeks or less. What a relief!! It was worrying me.....
Great! I was confident that Jesse would do it !
And it is before end of august, perfect.
Ready to test on my hubs, I start backing up everything in case... ;)
 

dld33

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I'm thinking of picking this up to use for live use. Mainly interested in pad sounds as I play in a guitar oriented cover band.

How are the pads sounds in general? Most of samples I've heard so far seem to be more lead type sounds.
 

slimefuzz

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Love those bass sounds.
If you play guitar, would the sounds be about the same if you set the oscillators to 1 octave down?
 

rsmith601

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Love those bass sounds.
If you play guitar, would the sounds be about the same if you set the oscillators to 1 octave down?
Never had that question before. For the wet signal, I think it would depend on the tuning, but potentially yes. On the dry signal (if it is used in the preset), then no.
 

Quatschmacher

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Love those bass sounds.
If you play guitar, would the sounds be about the same if you set the oscillators to 1 octave down?
Never had that question before. For the wet signal, I think it would depend on the tuning, but potentially yes. On the dry signal (if it is used in the preset), then no.
The oscillators should sound the same. The bonus is that latency will be less due to the waveforms of the input signal being half as long so the tracking circuit can work quicker. The only thing that might sound different is if the preset has any filter pitch tracking applied; as the guitar input signal is higher in pitch, it will open the filter further so you’d probably need to adjust the cutoff knob (and possibly the depth knob) to compensate.

By the way, most of my bass presets are pitched one octave down already so you’d be able to play them on guitar as is.
 

rsmith601

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The oscillators should sound the same. The bonus is that latency will be less due to the waveforms of the input signal being half as long so the tracking circuit can work quicker. The only thing that might sound different is if the preset has any filter pitch tracking applied; as the guitar input signal is higher in pitch, it will open the filter further so you’d probably need to adjust the cutoff knob (and possibly the depth knob) to compensate.

By the way, most of my bass presets are pitched one octave down already so you’d be able to play them on guitar as is.
I agree that many of the presets created by bass players sound great on guitar too.
 

Ratterbass

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Sooo while tinkering with the editor, some things came to my mind, which I think would be nice if they could be added in future updates.

1. Expression control for the semitones. Detune can be applied to exp but semitones and octaves cannot. It would be cool to use the exp as a pitch wheel as well. It is already doable via midi but I think expression would be nice since it won't be global that way.

2. LFO and envelope control for semitone/octaves would also be very nice.

3. Is it possible to implement a portamento or glide feature for the oscillators? THAT would be awesome and would open a whole lot of possibilities. Especially with the sequencer.

4. I think I might have mentioned it before but I am not sure, so I am sorry if I repeat myself :oops: LFO control for the FM parameter would be rad. I am trying to get dubstebby wobble bass sounds, which rely heavily on use of LFOs and FM synthesis. Being able to apply LFO to FM would be huge! Both LFO to the value of the FM parameter as well as using the LFO as the actual source of modulation. Also, please make FM possible for the other waveforms as well.

Just some things, I think would be beneficial for further opening up possibilites of creating awesome sounds:)
 

Gibs210

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Sooo while tinkering with the editor, some things came to my mind, which I think would be nice if they could be added in future updates.

1. Expression control for the semitones. Detune can be applied to exp but semitones and octaves cannot. It would be cool to use the exp as a pitch wheel as well. It is already doable via midi but I think expression would be nice since it won't be global that way.

2. LFO and envelope control for semitone/octaves would also be very nice.

3. Is it possible to implement a portamento or glide feature for the oscillators? THAT would be awesome and would open a whole lot of possibilities. Especially with the sequencer.

4. I think I might have mentioned it before but I am not sure, so I am sorry if I repeat myself :oops: LFO control for the FM parameter would be rad. I am trying to get dubstebby wobble bass sounds, which rely heavily on use of LFOs and FM synthesis. Being able to apply LFO to FM would be huge! Both LFO to the value of the FM parameter as well as using the LFO as the actual source of modulation. Also, please make FM possible for the other waveforms as well.

Just some things, I think would be beneficial for further opening up possibilites of creating awesome sounds:)
I’ve completely forgot to try and make a whammy preset, expression over semitones would be necessary to make that happen. Man do I need to get a micro ghost so I can control c4 via midi.
 

Bryan Day

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@benevan, @Christian Surieux and anyone else who cares......great news. Jesse was able to save a complete set of C4 preset parameters to his Hub today. It is NOT a pointer to a preset, it is actually saving all of the knobs and parameters. This means that he has created the Hub firmware and also the C4 pedal firmware that will make this all work. The last step is to update the Neuro Desktop to ensure it can also make it all happen. When that is done, we will need to test it. If there are a few hard core Hub users and C4 users who want to help test. Please send me a PM. Our plan is to roll all of this out publicly in 4 weeks or less. What a relief!! It was worrying me.....
I’m so happy to hear this is on its way. It makes the C4 so much more usable In my opinion. Thank you for making it a priority. Can’t wait.
 
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While having the C4 plugged into the hub, I am seeing intermittent rapid blinking of the ALT function LED. There seems to be no rhyme or reason for this and it doesn't seem to affect the sound of the pedal. The main LED also went to a red AND green solid mode at one point. This DID require me to unplug and plug the unit back in. Anyone else have this issue?

I am using the supplied power supply.
I am getting the same thing...
 
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Make sure you have the external switch option disabled in the editor, it will mess with the pedal when it’s actually connected to the hub.
Thanks Robert, much appreciated! I'm running the SA Dual Expression pedal with the 1/8" out going direct to the C4 and the 1/4" out going to the Hub. Given that the Hub can't save/send scenes yet I thought that this would be the best arrangement. I also bought a DMC 3xl Gen3 to control the Hub and C4 separately. Would you suggestion be to just run from the Expression pedal to the Hub and Hub to the C4? I had the external switch option on given that it was fed directly from the Exp pedal. Thanks for all of your help; it's been a fun process learning this thing and making it jive with the rest of my SA rig!
 




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