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Vendor Source Audio C4 Synth Project

Discussion in 'Effects, Pedals, Strings & Things' started by rsmith601, Feb 16, 2018.

  1. MartyReasoner

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    Is this sadist only going to post one pic?
     
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    Sorry about that! Just want to make sure we explore each collection of blocks before moving on. Are all things clear on this? The intervals are really deep. It is like 64 steps presented like we do in the Nemesis editor.
     
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    What's the deal with the modulate detune? So there is one mod destination for each voice? I assume that's a drop down menu with other destinations. The mod sources available for that is not pictured?
     
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    Modulate detune looks more like a button option since there are no arrows? Maybe if you click that a “secret” option becomes available elsewhere in the app?...

    And by secret I just mean you can point the option elsewhere in the editor towards that... not that it is a real secret hidden box...
     
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    Looks great. Any chance of a mid EQ?
     
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    One thing I remember specifically from NAMM was the sheer length of the drop-down list for the Interval setting, tons of options. Then again most of the drop-down lists had a lot of options, as expected.
     
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    Talk about cruel, he won’t even let us preorder it :worried
     
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    What is the scaling and range on the detune knobs? If possible it would be amazing if they were scaled such that the areas immediately either side of noon gave control over a super-fine range and the areas further from noon could cover an increasing range.

    Either that, or have the ability to make super-fine adjustments via a combination of mouse + key press (such as shift or control).

    Speaking of detune. Is there the option to detune via a constant beat frequency as well?
     
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    Some definitions and descriptions:
    "M" and "S": Mute or Solo a voice
    Source: Stereo Input Mix, Mono Input 1, Mono Input 2, Monophonic 1, Monophonic 2, Polyphonic 1, Polyphonic 2, Saw 1, Saw 2, Sine 1, Sine 2, Square 1, Square 2
    Interval: Unison, Harmony, Arpeggiator, 36 steps up to +3 octaves, 24 steps down to -2 octaves, -2 octaves and a 4th, -3 octaves, and a few more TBD
    Intervals do not apply to the "input sources" listed above. The Monophonic Pitch 1 and 2 work best with octave intervals
    Envelope: None, Env 1, Env 2
    None is a free running oscillator, or for use when applying the Env in the filter section.
    Level: Sets the level of the voice
    Pan: sets how much of the signal is sent to the left, right or both outputs
    Detune: fine adjustment of the interval. Plus or minus 100 cents.
    Detune Modulation: On/Off button. The rate of the modulation is set by the LFO. If you use the "envelope to speed knob", the rate decays as the note fades (this can be inverted).
     
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    Do I have this right?

    The 'Master Section' includes the envelope/LFO for the filter. The envelope 1/2/none on the oscillators is different from the envelope on the master section and would appear to affect the EG/ADSR/AMP module only?
     
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    Not exactly sure. These might be master controls that either replicate of scale the controls that are embedded in other function blocks. Nathan and I are not so sure. Jesse and Bob not here today.
     
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    These are the filter blocks:

    The filter list is currently about 25 options that come from the BEF, GEF, BEF Pro, Manta, Stingray, etc. We also have the old Classic Wah from the Hot Hand Wah Filter (SA101!). We are adding a few more in there to cover new sounds. Filter 1 is attached to Output 1 and Filter 2 is attached to output 2. It is possible to have both triggered by Env 1 and/or Env 2. One can mix Env and LFO. More about the Env and LFO is coming up. You will note there are Q controls. It is possible to have one output normal, and the other inverted! We have no idea what that sounds like yet.
     
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    These are the Envelope blocks:

    The envelopes can be triggered off of either input 1 or 2. The speed controls the rates that are adjustable in the type. Bob has noted that instruments plugged into the C4 have their own ADSR characteristics intrinsically. He is using those controls internally to make a long list of options that will be useful across a range of instruments and also allow for the recreation of classic envelope filter pedals. I know some of you want perhaps more control options that this. Perhaps a specific use case would be helpful.
     
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    Would like to hone in on the attack to achieve pluck sounds. Most guitar synth pedals seem focussed on leads and bass.
     
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    We can have the potential for lots of types here. I think this is very doable.
     
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    Thanks for sharing all this detail on the inner workings of the pedals.

    Can you share any more details on the exterior appearance of the C4 Synth?
     
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    I specifically would like to be able to control the A, D an S portions of the envelope separately. For example I might want a sound that has a 10ms attack, a 1s decay but want it such that it doesn’t decay to zero, hence having the sustain control in order to set the resting level of the envelope.

    Other specific controls that would be desirable are for envelope retriggering/legato on subsequent notes. Also the option to choose whether the envelope resets on each trigger or just continues from its current position. These options (retrigger/reset) are useful if one wants to create a sound which has a consistent contour each time it is played.
     
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    It is our small One Series Housing. There is a 3 position toggle switch where you get 3 factory sounds in GREEN mode, and 3 more in RED mode. These can be overwritten.
    The following parameters can be accessed from the top level. All can be re-assigned:
    Input
    Sensitivity
    Mix
    Volume
    Control 1 (depends on the preset)
    Control 2 (depends on the preset)

    The housing is silverish. The graphics are awesome !! :)
     
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    Will depth, frequency, and speed parameters be assignable to Control 1 & 2? Will these parameters be able to be mapped to expression control? On the Manta I use a lot of sounds with expression control on frequency or speed, would be great to be able to replicate those sounds on the C4. How similar is depth and sensitivity?
     
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    Yes, these can all be mapped to expression. Sensitivity is different than depth. If you think about an LFO moving a filter, the "Depth" is how much the filter is moving. "Input" is the gain on this signal which allows for differences in the output levels of instruments. An active bass is going to need a different input level than a passive one, for instance. "Sensitivity" is in the envelope block, because it controls the ease at which you can open and close the filter. We did not have these exact controls on Manta, which made it less flexible and useful across a range of instruments.
     

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