Spanish cedar

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  1. rockinlespaul

    rockinlespaul Member

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    What kind of tone would one expect to get with spanish cedar as a body and neck wood on an electric 6 string? How would it compare to mahogany?
     
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    Cedar is a great soft tonewood.... but I don't know if it would be hard enough to be a neck wood. You'd have to reinforce it enough to handle the string tension that I think it would negate any tonal benefits.

    As a body wood, It would probalby be fine... just like the pine body telecasters that so many people love.
     
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    t3oi Silver Supporting Member

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    Juha Ruokangas builds with Spanish Cedar (Neck and Body). Watch this comparison video with his Spanish Cedar/Arctic Birch topped Unicorn versus the classic Mahogany/Maple '59 Les Paul.



    Juha's take on Spanish Cedar:

    http://www.ruokangas.com/?p=3458
     
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    dougk Silver Supporting Member

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    Been building with it for 3 years including necks. Its a mahogany, NOT a cedar. Its got a good amount of tensile strength. I still started reinforcing our necks a year ago with 2 maple splines and haven't had a problem before or after.

    Juha is who turned me onto it and Ill never go back to ANYTHING else. I just swear by it. Light, responsive, dynamic, old-mahogany sounding.
     
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    no idea how it compares to mahogany, but if you check out the gus guitars website (handbuilt in england), he uses cedar (not sure if it's spanish) for his neck and bodies. he also puts a coat of some type of graphite mixture over it, sort of like parker guitars, but it's not the same mixture....
    but seems to work for those...i'm sure it would be fine....good luck
     
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    Wow. I had no idea it was a hardwood. It does smell like cedar, though, which is awesome.
     
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    Sure does smell good... tastes horrible (don't ask lol).

    Its smell is why they call it Spanish Cedar even though its not Spanish OR Cedar :bonk:rotflmao
     
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    Spanish Cedar is a variety of mahogany. It is believed to have been used on some of the Les Pauls in the 50's.
     
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    very interesting.


    I may have to check it out myself. :)
     
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    kingsleyd Frikkin genyus Gold Supporting Member

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    I'll let a couple of guitars do the talking...

     
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    Cedar is great, i have a Roukangas Duke.. it's great...
     
  12. rockinlespaul

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    Doug, your guitars are the reason I'm asking.:D

    I'm very intigued by them to say the least.
     
  13. big mike

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    Every Spanish Cedar Kauer I've played has an amazing tone, and a stable neck.
     
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    big mike Moderator - EL34 Emeritas Staff Member

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    Can't go wrong Fred. Doug's guitars are badass.
     
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    I've had my custom McInturff w/ Spanish Cedar body next to a Taurus Standard with Honduran (as well as my Les Paul Elegant), and I've also owned a SC Roscoe LG and a mahogany LG simultaneously. Both the SC instruments display VERY similar basic qualities compared to their mahogany counterparts, but feel a little more lively, with a slightly more open and perhaps "complex" sound. A bit less bark and heft, a bit more richness and air, as arbitrary as those may seem. I'm sure individual pieces vary as much as any other wood and a good builder could tweak an instrument to lean either way.
     
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    If the internet (and more directly forums) had been around when people were naming these woods....



    "WH@T>? thatz a mahogzny you azzwipe!!!!

    butitsmellslikecedar...

    CEDARWN3D!!!!!!!

    :eek:



    :D
     
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    Speaking of cedar,
    Have any builders built bodies incorporating Western Red Cedar (WRC)?
    Any thoughts?
    Too dark....too soft...too light...

    It smells good, easy to work, readily available
     
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    http://www.electrocoustic.com/

    Wonderful guitars, cool guy.
     
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    janka hardness for:

    spanish cedar: 600
    sitka spruce: 510
    eastern white pine: 380
    mahogany: 800 (african: 830)
    basswood: 410
    red alder: 590
    silver maple: 700
    sugar maple: 1450
    rosewood, Brazilian: 2720
     
  20. baimun

    baimun Member

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    sahhas.... given that scale, Pau Ferro must be like 5000..... I burned up a router bit working with that stuff. [​IMG]



    EDIT: Looked it up.... 2713. Still....
     

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