I saw Gilad Hekselman live a couple months ago and it was an amazing concert. I noticed he had special specific wiring that fed his E and A string to the Boss OC3 octave pedal while leaving his 1st -4th strings completely uneffected by the OC3 pedal, giving the sound of deep bass with his E and A string and a regular guitar sound on strings 1-4. Does anyone know how you achieve this split sound setup? I play alot of solo jazz guitar stuff and it would be so beneficial to have the counterpoint of my bass strings have a deep bass sound while having string 1-4 retain a natural guitar sound.
Splitting E and A string with OC3 like Gilad Hekselman
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I knew a guy who did this with an old Carvin guitar, though he only isolated the E string
It had stereo output, each pickup fed a separate amp. He had removed the pole pieces under strings ADGBE on the neck pickup and under E on the bridge pickup.
The isolation may not have been perfect, but it warted well.
You could do this with any guitar, as long as you had each pickup on its own output and pulled the policies to achieve the split you want.
The Ripley guitars used Bartolini hex pickups. I don't think they make them, anymore, but they might turn up used. Each string essentially has it's own pickup. There are many ways to wire them. You can wire them to pan pots, like in the Kramer Ripley, or you could do a fixed configuration, such as EA to one amp, DGBE to another, etc.
It had stereo output, each pickup fed a separate amp. He had removed the pole pieces under strings ADGBE on the neck pickup and under E on the bridge pickup.
The isolation may not have been perfect, but it warted well.
You could do this with any guitar, as long as you had each pickup on its own output and pulled the policies to achieve the split you want.
The Ripley guitars used Bartolini hex pickups. I don't think they make them, anymore, but they might turn up used. Each string essentially has it's own pickup. There are many ways to wire them. You can wire them to pan pots, like in the Kramer Ripley, or you could do a fixed configuration, such as EA to one amp, DGBE to another, etc.
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check this out:
http://www.alittlethunder.com/
it's a split pickup that routes the E and A to a separate output. It also has built in signal processing to drop the pitch down an octave, so you don't need any external devices.
http://www.alittlethunder.com/
it's a split pickup that routes the E and A to a separate output. It also has built in signal processing to drop the pitch down an octave, so you don't need any external devices.
It would be overkill, but a Roland GR-500/GS-500 will do this. It has a pretty sophisticated bass synth module (for its time - 1978). In the bass section, you can choose strings 1-6, 4-6, or 5-6 (5-6 being E-A). It also has some controls that shape the sound. Each module can be sent to a different output (up to 3 outputs), so it's most common to send the bass to a bass amp.
This guy has a great site about the early Roland guitar synths:
http://www.joness.com/gr300/GR-500.html
This guy has a great site about the early Roland guitar synths:
http://www.joness.com/gr300/GR-500.html
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The two ways I've seen this done is with a GK-compatible pickup, where there's six outputs into a 13-pin cable, or with a conventional magnetic pickup that only reads the low two strings, and which has a separate output. There's usually some degree of crosstalk between the A and the D string, but it's usable. Look at Charlie Hunter's various guitars for examples of splitting two or three strings to a bass amp.
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The OC3 does have a passably good Low Pass Filter function, and a passably good polyphonic "track" record. I prefer to split the signal for separate processing, often as not, giving it further LPF with some measure of natural (direct) signal mixed in. Like most such FX, the "octave only" sound is not very natural.
The GK route does have certain advantages, notably the use of MIDI/synth instruments, which can sound, in isolation, more like a standalone bass (of any flavor). But, IMO, that adds a lot more complication and I don't often feel inspired to do it. That said, I think the GK pickup tracks pretty well.
Though I've not tried it, I sort of like the split pickup/stereo idea, but it would, again, benefit from splitting the two signals for separate processing. The only real advantage would be that it would offer true isolation and, thus, would be better than the built-in LPF, which would be nice.
The GK route does have certain advantages, notably the use of MIDI/synth instruments, which can sound, in isolation, more like a standalone bass (of any flavor). But, IMO, that adds a lot more complication and I don't often feel inspired to do it. That said, I think the GK pickup tracks pretty well.
Though I've not tried it, I sort of like the split pickup/stereo idea, but it would, again, benefit from splitting the two signals for separate processing. The only real advantage would be that it would offer true isolation and, thus, would be better than the built-in LPF, which would be nice.
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There is a guitarist Stephen King (not the author) who does the same thing. IIRC it said something on his site about how he does it!
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This is the answer right here. No need to get more complicated.
I have an OC2 and I am assumming that pedal doesn't have that capability? So if i get an OC3, its that easy to seperate having the octave down be applied to only the E and A string. So no additional wiring is nescasary. Has anyone who actually have an OC3 done this and does it ever miss
trigger or does it do a fairly good job of isolating just the E and A string for lower octave bass sound.
What else is on the market that can do this with a more authentic reproduction of an octave down upright bass sound while isolated the E and A string leaving the top 4 strings uneffective.
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It's a low pass filter...it doesn't isolate the strings, it simply filters notes above the threshold set. Not sure how steep the filter is...maybe someone else might...but, yes, it's fairly effective. I set it somewhere in the vicinity of D3 (open D string) or a bit lower.
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Tal Farlow was a bit of an inventor and he carried a stool around with a foot pedal built into it where he flew in a nice octave below when the bass player would solo. I used to see him at Zinno`s in NY in the 80`s into the early 90`s and I`ll never forget it. Anyone know how he did it ?
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The POG(at least the large box one) also has a filter.
Come to think of it, I used to use it to lessen the effects of the pedal on the higher strings, but with the amount of gain I was using, it wasn't perfect.
Come to think of it, I used to use it to lessen the effects of the pedal on the higher strings, but with the amount of gain I was using, it wasn't perfect.
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Oh man, I saw Ripley at the NAMM show before the Kramer hook-up. Best stereo guitar I've ever heard. Strings panned alternately left-right.
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As it has been stated above, the OC3 does this effect on its own. There is no need for special wiring. The additional wiring on his Victor Baker guitar is for his synth pickup.
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