Stereo head? WTF?

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  1. Fuego

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    My first rack setup was an Ada mp1 into a carvin fet1000. Then came a VHT gp3 into a vht 2/90/2. I still have and use it with my Tc gforce and eventide eclipse. For me, though, I prefer the straight in approach now for that dynamic feel. I run all my fx through a rim fx gizmo. Love it. Reminds of rack the way I can switch combos of fx and amp channels with one button thru midi. I realize others may want more. My deaf ears think it sounds just fine. ;)
    Now I'm off to sell blood so I can eat tonight before I go back under my bridge. Damn billy goat gruff always running me off. :)
     
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    I've eyed Pearce and G-K heads when they've come up, but balked when I figured out the loops ran at -10 (at least nominally).

    Would it be worth considering one with something like an Aphex 124a -10/+4 converter in the rack as a kludge?
     
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    I can't speak for the GK amps but the Pearce I had... it was a killer amp!
    Can't remember exactly about the fx loops specs but hey... a line level loop with a -10dB effect device is a MUCH worst scenario than a -10dB loop running a line level fx processor.
    I had this small rig for quick gigs... it was a Pearce Gr2 stereo head with an Eventide H3000 D/SE running thru a self made stereo cab with two JBL 10"s. Always stereo. We have a law for that here.
    Amazing sounding system.
    Now... the loop in the Pearce is placed after the master level so when you are playing at real life levels... I played "Loud Jazz" with it... you will push the loop send into real line levels territory.
    Nominal values may be not the last word, depending on how an amp is designed. The Eventide was more than happy to work at +4dB (internal jumpers set for that), obviously it was being correctly pushed.
    If the loop had been inside the preamp... it wouldn't have been as nice as it was.
    If you can find a stereo Pearce in good shape and have a good tech doing some restyling work on it, you'll have a spectacular amplifier, capable of really good clean tones, even delicate ones and some raw stuff too. The "in between" sounds were very good. EQ is well done.
    It's the stuff they don't do anymore. Dan Pierce is a bad ass amp designer. Just go for it. I enjoyed it any single second I played thru it. With the H3000 it was unbelievable glory. Eventide delays and chorus + the built in Alesis reverb. 4U rack... light... doom tones! I added a Tech21 GT-2 in front of it and it was it.
    You may not need a line converter really.
     
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    It's a bit outdated in their product line but I've thought before if Mesa could have taken a Studio Pre and mated it to a 50/50 power section in a head cab it could have been really cool. Or even better, something like a MkV:35 Pre section mated to a 20/20 power section. I'd hit that in an instant.
     
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    Well, I'd be all over that. I have a V:25 that I've been running into a Suhr RL and fx into a 50/50, which takes up more space than it needs to. I'm moving on from that now, selling the V:25 and Suhr, and got a Synergy preamp with a MarkUs (Mark V type) MTS module. So, I'm sorta there.
     
  8. italo de angelis

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    I know. I'm fine with no tubes.
     
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    Did YOU try it?
    You know... concepts and ads are one thing, facts... another.
    It doesn't impress me on the paper... documentation is quite poor. No specs on FX sends/returns... those are very important. I'd like to know more.
    It should be tested to get the idea of how that feed from the dry sound sounds like once sent to the effects. That's not a minor detail. A lot of tonal changes can happen in that very place.
    Separate cabs improve the stereo field a lot.
    The modularity of a system is always a plus as you can make choices for every single part of it and/or change only what you need to.
    And the W/D/W thing isn't really what this is about. If you have a stereo system with the effects running separately (parallel) from the dry you have a great tone and avoid all the phase issues short time based fx will create and the unbalanced mix between dry and wet.
    A stereo head with proper fx interfacing and a couple of cabs is still a hard to beat configuration.
     
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    I was really happy with my Rivera S-120 2x12 combo for quite a while, but it was such a PITA to move at barely under 100lbs, I considered getting a head shell made for it, but ended up going a different direction. It's still a good amp though.
     
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    Possibly the heaviest thing I touched!
     
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    I played with a guy who had one of those Rivera TBR-1M rack amps. It was a beast even with 2 guys if you had to get it up to chest level.
     
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    When I got it, I played through it and was happy with the sound, and happy it had quite good speakers in it, and then I gigged with it a little. OMG it still sounded wonderful, but it was going to take me weeks in traction to recover. It did teach me that stereo is very useful, even if there's negligible separation between the speakers, though.
     
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    Heck, if we're going there, the Rockman XP100 was stereo as well-analog mono input, analog stereo effects plus stereo send/return effects loops. Still solid state, though.

    I have to ask, though, why compromise by having the preamp and the power amp in the same chassis? You have more risk of noise in the preamp since you can't really build a Faraday cage around it when it's in the same box, plus you're sharing a power supply. I'm far happier with the concept of one (or more) preamps into the proper size of power amp (you know, run the small rig into a Mesa 20/20 and the one for shed shows into a Mesa 90/90 or VHT maybe. Then you can run your true stereo effects, and if you're fussy about those things use a transformer coupling to give you balanced inputs/outputs.
     
  16. j.s.tonehound

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    Frenzel make a stereo amp fwiw.

    Something I've idly wondered from time to time is a setup with two pickups playing at the same time but not combined. i.e. stereo (or dual mono) out from the guitar two separate amps. I've always assumed there must be some issue(s) involved but figured it would/could be fun to mess about with.
     
  17. mark123

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    I've been running a Frenzel FM-800z preamp as my #1 preamp for awhile now and have been really happy with it. Saw they came out with the STS 88 (Super Twin Stereo 88) head around 6 months ago. I've been saving my penny's for one.
    http://frenzeltubeamps.com/page75.php
     
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    Gibson ES355 and Kramer Ripley.
     
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    Yeah that's the one I was thinking of. Looks like nice kit.
     
  20. mark123

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    Not a kit. Jim hand build's 'em to order in Texas and has been for 20+ years. He uses quality parts, point to point hand wiring and will customize to your wishes if he can. My FM-800z was my first swim into the somewhat boutique world and has to be about the biggest bang for the buck around, cheaper than a few pedal's I've purchased over the years. I ordered up mine with a 1 watt 12at7 power tube option for grins thinking I might use it as a practice amp on occasion but end up using it more often than not as a dedicated dry monitoring output or part of a low wattage WDW home setup with a stereo Lexicon 284 used as a wet power amp. My only regret was not ordering up the rack version.
     
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