Stones Sticky FIngers/Exile-era tones

Discussion in 'Effects, Pedals, Strings & Things' started by todd richman, Feb 3, 2006.


  1. todd richman

    todd richman Senior Member

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    Hello to all. I am using Les Pauls with PAF's and a Nocaster Relic. I run into a plexized late 70's 4 input non-master volume Marshall. I also have a slew of D*A*M fuzzes. I am looking for either a pedal in production or someone to build a pedal for me that will emulate closely the tones on these albums-especially the rhythm tones. Other similar tones are on the Black Crowes Southern Harmony, Moneymaker, Amorica and 3 Snakes albums. Humble Pie Fillmore tones too! Suggestions please. I know the history of most of these tone and the whole tele into cranked tweed and blackface amps-I am looking for viable alternatives...
     
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    wheres No Code 5 when ya need him? :D
     
  3. Phil M

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    Great question because those are some of my favorite tones.

    I do not yet have one, but I keep hearing that the BJF Honey Bee is the one to get for this style tone. I've been hemming and hawing about plunking down $270 on yet another drive pedal...
     
  4. todd richman

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    Me too with the Honey Bee. Plus I like a more substantial pedal perhaps since the D*A*M stuff is all in the large box about the size of the original Colorsound pedals. More suggestions please...
     
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    Forget pedals. If you look around for photos from those sessions, you'll see then-current Ampeg combos all over the place, esp. the 2x12 VT-22, and they were using the Ampeg stacks on tour. That said, there's a great 1x12 version from that era, essentially Ampeg's answer to the Deluxe Reverb, which will cop the sound. They're still in circulation for reasonable money, I suspect b/c of some of the oddball tubes they use in the preamp- you 'd have to buy NOS backups. They have very different low/mid balance at clip than either a Plexi or tweed type and outstanding reverb circuits. That's the sound you want.
     
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    I agree 100% Also look for a late 50s gibson GA-20 mine cops that sound really good.Oh yea forgot the stash and cases of whisky! :JAM
     
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    You're in to D*A*M stuff anyways so wh not give the Sonic Titan a go? I really liked it for od -tones. But I too reckon the boys above were right. Stones tones are amp tones...
     
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    They're great amps- I've rehabbed a handful of them- but more along the lines of the smaller Princeton/Deluxe tweeds than the Ampegs. The highs are very warm/rounded and there's lots of compression at clipping volumes, more of a Chess blues or Elmore James sound than early 70s Stones. One exception: Ry Cooder has used a GA-20 or 30 for at least 20 years as the preamp of his slide rig (converts the output to line level & runs the signal out to rack compression & mic pre), and based on some comments he's made in interviews, the unmodded combo is a likely candidate for his slide work on "Sister Morphine."
     
  9. No Code 5

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    ampegs are a good candidate... I seem to remember reading that KR was using Twins for Exile...

    The tones on Exile are a bit more clean than on Sticky Fingers...

    I also seem to remember that the intro/rhythm tone on Can't you Hear me Knockin' was a P90 equipped SG Special into a Twin. You can never be sure if anyone, especially the artist remember what gear was used for those records... someone mentioned cases of whiskey... :D
     
  10. Jet Rink

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    Adding to this, I do know that Keef favored/favors slaving a Champ and mic'ing it as well. If you can drive the Fenders you'll get real close on the grit.

    But also, for both the SYMM/Crowes and those Stones tones, you're also talking about open tunings in some cases.

    String gauge may also play a role, although I don't know what those are.

    Jet
     
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    Good point on open tuning... really makes a difference..
     
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    As luck would have it, the Rolling Stones Signature Licks book/cd is within arms reach.

    a) In early 70s Keith was playing primarily in Open G tuning. ( Guitar magazine articles have mentioned he often entirely removed the thick 6th string from the guitar ) . Depending on the song he would capo at the second or fourth fret , or not use a capo at all.
    Open G tuning is D G D G B D from the thick 6th string to the thin first string, using a G major chord's notes " G B D " from music theory.

    b) Amps and guitars..... "In the early 70s, Richards continued to play Les Pauls ( Customs and Standards) but also could be seen with various Gibson 335s, Dan Armstrong guitars, and Fender Telecasters. These were often plugged into Ampeg V-4 amps onstage and small Fender or Ampeg amps in the studio. Keith's theory was smaller amps produce a bigger sound on record."


    Seems like all of the replies and the instructional book are finding common ground.
     
  13. todd richman

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    I guess my original question though is can I get a pedal to plug into the plexi with Pauls and Teles that will get me close t that small AMpeg or Fender amp sound? The Sonic Titan is something David Main and I have discussed but I am concerned it is too heavy as the few out there are in the hands of guys who do doom or stoner rock stuff-QOTSA, etc.
     
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    Todd:
    I hate to say it, but I think you SHOULD definitely check out the BJF Honey Bee if you are trying to cop small amp tones from a big ol' amp. I know, the price tag turned me off for a long time. But I saved up, ordered one, and now can't imagine being without it. Just my $.02... I'd suggest biting the financial bullet and buying an HB.
    Also, have you talked to Dave at DAM about doing a custom OD to cop those tones? That might be another option, if he's up for the job. Aswe both know Dave makes top-shelf stuff :dude
     
  15. todd richman

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    I am considering the HB still and I have sent a few emails to David discussing a hybrid Tweed/Ampeg VT-22 toned pedal. If anyone can do it -David Main can. He seems to be able to do any pedal possible. He is working on a pedal to replicate the front end of a Vox Conqueror which is the Sgt Pepper solid state Vox head with built in 3 way treble boost and distortion circuit. Another D*A*M customer posted to the D*A*M forum on the website and inquired about this and David sounds like he is taking on that challenge.
     
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    Oh, anybody have a Honey Bee that I could try. I would return ship it fully insured through UPS, FedEx or Priority Mail. I am located in the Philadelphia suburbs.
     
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    It's not a pedal sound, it's a small amp cranked sound. I'm sure the BJF HB is an excellent pedal but it's still not going to sound exactly like a cranked tweed amp.
     
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    Totally. I had a HB and I'd say this is true.

    BTW, what small Ampeg amp are we talking about? Gemini I?
     
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    Geminis weren't that small wattage-wise (like 25-30 watts), probably a Jet if it was an Ampeg - killer little amps. IIRC, Mike Campbell used a Jet on Tom Petty's 'Running Down A Dream' - that's one pissed off sounding amp!
     

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