strings OVER the stop bar

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  1. shaun_mac

    shaun_mac Member

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    has anyone done this before? unless my eyes were playing tricks on me, I noticed on Derek Trucks' instagram profile that in a pic of Duane Allman's goldtop Les Paul, the strings were wrapped over the stop bar and then onto the bridge. I've never seen that before and was curious if there was some sort of advantage to doing that.
     
  2. DRS

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    Lots of guys do this. I do it because it lets me drop the tailpiece all the way down and not have the strings hit the back of the bridge. And Duane did it:D
     
  3. shaun_mac

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    ok, so it doesn't increase the sustain or break angle or anything?
     
  4. Heinz57Pep

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    Might be a placebo effect for me, but I feel that screwing the tailpiece down all the way increases sustain. Also, the top wrap gives the strings a slinkier feel.
     
  5. tnjazz

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    I do it on all my Gibsons with stop tails. It does make for a slinkier feel, at least to me.
     
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    It does. I do it on my SG for that reason.
     
  7. Bankston

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    This. It's like turning a set of 10's into a set of 9.5's
     
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    I've been curious about this. I've got an SG Standard and having the strings contact the back of the bridge is not helping my OCD. I play with 10s and I'm wondering if wrapping over the tail will require me to go up to 11s in order to keep the same feel. And to be truly obsessive I'm paranoid it'll damage the chrome on the stop bar.
     
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    top wrapping
     
  10. Heinz57Pep

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    It will scratch up the tailpiece a bit. If you want to try it I recommend buying another one strictly for that purpose.
     
  11. tnjazz

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    Yep. Or just enjoy the natural relic-ing you're giving your guitar. Can't go wrong with good honest wear from actual use, and not from your buddy's belt sander.
     
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    I like to top wrap the skinny ones and bottom wrap the big ones.

    A bit more tension on the lower strings is good for me...
     
  13. tnjazz

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    That's interesting. Don't think I've ever seen anyone do that before? Might have to try it.
     
  14. LadOfEastPoland

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    Me too! Exactly! Joe Bonamassa and Billy Gibbons do it that way!
     
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    I do it on an SG. I even have a special stop bar that is meant for doing it. Can't remember the name of it, sorry. Should be a good google search away. Yes, it does scratch it up over time - but so what? Buy another if you fear for harming the original.

    I also use locking screws for the stop bar so that it is both screwed all the way into the body AND locked down tight. I have excellent sustain with it. (Note: not everyone's playing style is benefited by lots of sustain)
     
  16. Gasp100

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    I've done it before and do like the slightly "slinky" effect but I had some general issues with the stock tailpiece and recently upgraded to Faber. I may try this again, the half & half technique is interesting.
    Would intonation be a concern seeing that you might be lengthening the string to a certain extent?
     
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    Just done it for the first time a few days ago on a new SG Standard as advised by itstooloudMike on TGP and it feels great. Turns 11's into 10's. I might try the half wrapped under, half wrapped over. Never seen that before but makes a lot of sense.
     
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    No, B/C intonation is between the bridge and nut, which distance remains unchanged.
     
  19. HoboMan

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    Been discussed for decades.

    It will increase sustain, make the strings feel slinkier, increase pickup output, straighten your neck, extend fret life, fix finish flaws, relieve nagging back pain, solve marital problems, help you become debt free, and pick you up if you've fallen and can't get up.
     
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    Can confirm. It's all true!
     

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