Strymon Volante! (was Strymon announcement on Jan 10)

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  1. tochiro

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    It does not work like that at all. For instance the VAT is what you pay but not what Thomann pay.
     
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    I don't understand. You can't not pay VAT so how can Thomann offer it cheaper?
     
  3. CrashC317

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    So it's a Nemesis on the Binson/Tape engine with more knobs and buttons and an extra switch. Got it.

    I got my Nemesis for $210 shipped brand new.

    I feel like if I were still deciding, I'd probably go with the Nemesis. It does so much more for half the price and half the size. And that's before you plug your phone app into it, when it really opens up infinite possibilities. Especially when I can just snag a preset some other Nemesis user uploaded.
     
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    Except its not like the Deco at all: the saturation only affects the delay line, not the dry signal like Deco's left side, and the delay time only goes down to 25ms, which isn't nearly short enough to do flanger and chorus effects like the Deco's right side.
     
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    What did you not like about the Volante when you had it? When you A/B’d them was there a huge difference?
     
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    I understand that's how they're advertising it, but being that it's just digital emulations, I wonder how close you could actually get?
     
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    To me, the volante beats the nemesis *significantly* on interface. For the styles of delays it is focused on, the volante UI is much more inviting and offers better on-the-fly tweakability. For those of us that value a UI focused on allowing all the editing to be done on the pedal itself, the volante will be much more appealing.

    While I liked the sounds I've heard in the demos so far, the new UI is the most exciting thing about the volante for me.
     
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    @strymon Is this true with respect to the saturation? I feel as though I’ve read conflicting information about this. I am also curious about how close studio mode actually gets to the Deco and if it is potentially close enough that the Deco would become redundant. I pre ordered yesterday, so I suppose I’ll find out soon enough.
     
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    So I was pretty close to pulling the trigger on a BED. Aside from the 5 extra programs on the BED, does this do everything that does?
     
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    Except its not like the Deco at all: the saturation only affects the delay line, not the dry signal like Deco's left side, and the delay time only goes down to 25ms, which isn't nearly short enough to do flanger and chorus effects like the Deco's right side.
    Watch Pete's intro video- when he maxes the saturation, the repeats get dirty but the dry signal stays clean.
     
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    This is very likely going to replace my BED, but only because of the extended delay time. The extra heads and functionality are just icing for me. The appeal of the BED is that it doesn't so much emulate a tape delay as reproduce the exact analog circuitry. It sounds amazing. I'm hoping that the Volante gets close enough, which the preamp saturation may just allow.
    Edit: when I say 'replace' I mean for regular use. I have a 'Howard era' BED that I'll never sell.
     
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    I’d you didn’t have the El Cap would you pull the trigger?
     
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    WatchPete's intro video- when he maxes the saturation, the repeats get dirty but the dry signal stays clean.[/QUOTE]


    I appreciate the response and what you are saying makes sense, however, in the ‘Video Tour’ (right around the 7.5 minute mark) he states that it affects both the analog dry and the wet signal. It does appear to boost the dry while saturating the repeats. I may be mistaken and simply projecting my hopes onto it.
     
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    I appreciate the response and what you are saying makes sense, however, in the ‘Video Tour’ (right around the 7.5 minute mark) he states that it affects both the analog dry and the wet signal. It does appear to boost the dry while saturating the repeats. I may be mistaken and simply projecting my hopes onto it.[/QUOTE]
    He doesn't say analog 'dry', he says an analog circuit which feeds the signal getting processed.
    I could be wrong, but someone else verified this earlier in the thread, and I honestly only hear the repeats getting boosted.
     
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    Not for me, analog dry signal. I had a nemesis and i honestly couldn’t deal with the tone hamper. If people don’t notice a difference, that’s cool, people have ears tuned for different things. And the “Echorec” sounds didn’t do it for me

    We can all play the game of assigning value
     
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    He doesn't say analog 'dry', he says an analog circuit which feeds the signal getting processed.
    I could be wrong, but someone else verified this earlier in the thread, and I honestly only hear the repeats getting boosted.[/QUOTE]
    Fair enough. What you are suggesting also makes good sense if it is an accurate reproduction of the ‘record head’ level. I think that many of us may hope that it will incorporate a preamp similar to an EP3 or Space Echo.
     
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    Thanks! This is the first track from my current project. No full album, yet, but I am hoping in a few months I can release something of EP length on the way to a whole album.

    As far as the echo treatment goes, the rest of the instruments use a mix of pedals but not the tape echo (I recorded a lot of them before I got the real tape echo, actually). The guitars at the beginning are a mix of El Capistan in a single head mode and a Catalinbread Adineko, so that one actually is a 2 head delay sound.

    Towards the end, the louder shoegaze type guitars and leads are done with the reverse reverb mode on a Source Audio Ventris.

    There are also some ambient sounds that are performed on the Timeline swell mode.
     
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    I've been eyeing the Boonar for awhile (after playing one owned by @wrightdude ). The big drawback was the lack of tap tempo, but aside from that, it was unreal (and very pedal board friendly - surprisingly small).

    Now seeing the Volante, I'm intrigued. I see quite a few similarities.

    I'm going to have to keep an eye on this.
     
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    That's fair. We all have different ears. I have mine in a loop into a Kemper and can't tell a difference with it in the loop or not. Also couldn't hear a difference with it in a regular mechanical loop switcher.

    So what I'm gathering is it's for:
    • Those who want a unit that focuses on tape/binson
    • Those who want more knobs/buttons
    • Those who think all of the above is worth twice the cost, twice the size, and 1/10th of the available engines
    • The < 1% who'd pass a blind AB test of digital vs analog dry on a Nemesis, but don't hear the Strymon digital sheen
    That's fine by me. I'm always glad to see more stuff out there. It makes everyone else step their game up. The UI/knobs/button issue is the main thing I've been suggesting to SA for months. I get a lot of push back from the SA power users, but this thread is just more evidence to support that.

    I recognize we only have the one demo video to go by, but let's be honest -- the demo is enough to make a safe bet that IF it sounds better than the Nemesis or Echorec the percentage of people who will ever notice a difference is tiny. And that's a big if. I don't hear anything in the demo to indicate it does sound noticeably better.
     
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    Agreed. I guess my post doesn’t make sense without my back story. I used to have whatever sounded good, regardless of analog or digital. I’ve since limited myself to analog because I found I was getting too distracted by what my effects could do (mostly digital at the time) and not spending enough time actually playing. I was playing my pedals instead of my guitar… Which isn’t a bad thing for those who can master the balance, but for me I felt I was losing the raw connection with my playing.

    I may get back into digital in the future, and this will be one of the first items on my list to check out. I like that, even with all the options, it’s not complicated or over saturated. It has what it needs, and it all makes sense. This is an amazing delay with a really good feature set and a well thought out UI. I’m extremely intrigued.
     
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