Discussion in 'The Small Company Luthiers' started by gec78221, Jan 30, 2008.
Which do you prefer & why?
Don't be a fool, the answer is both!
I've only ever played one Suhr and one Tyler. I bought the Suhr. I preferred the Suhr's neck and it was $1000 dollars cheaper. I would still love to get a Tyler though. I love that purple schmear.
I have played 15-20 different Suhrs and although very fine guitars, there was only 1 of them that I bonded with, all the others were to 'something'. I find most of them almost clinical, sterile playing and sounding, not bad sounding but there´s something with them that doesn´t jive with me.
The Tylers are just the opposite, I have played a bunch and I still have to find one I do not like. Tylers have more grease to me, big balls, fat sounding. Maybe not 'vintage' sounding but if I want that, I´ll buy a Fender CS as they still do that best. The Tylers are IT for me, hence I have 2 of them.
when you get into high end guitars like these then it's very much a personal thing, I've played a few Suhr's that were great and yes I wanted one... I still do... soon maybe... but it's a different take on a classic design... I've loved the total concept of Tylers for over 20 years now.. it's very LA studio session rock star(only those in the know) type thing and I was seduced by it straight away... there was a very definate "vibe" about Tylers... and all of this before I even saw one in the flesh... eventually I got my hands on one and the game was over.... I knew I had to get one... a few years later and I now own a beautiful BW and it still seduces me... for me a Tyler every time...... ( I still want a Suhr though)
I've played a handful of Suhr's and while they are fine guitars, I much preferred my Fender CS strats. I recently bought a Tyler and I am really diggin' the tones and playability I get out of it. If I still want traditional strat tones I go to my Fenders, but the Tyler does the rock strat thing exceptionally well.
Tyler! Although you should play before you buy. Most kick @ss, but once in a while you come across an average one. I've played tons of Suhrs, still don't own one, just can't bond with them.
I've played both and now own a SUHR s3 proseries...
It's every bit the equal of my two Tom Andersons and the pickups are way better. Those Suhr pickups have a real magic to them. The neck on my pro series is flawless. I'm going Suhr the rest of my days.
I´ve had 5 Suhrs, played like 30.
I´ve had 3 Tylers, played like 20.
Suhrs are nice guitars, better than Tylers in the price/quality ratio, but Tylers have something "special" feeling and sonding. You can notice building failures on them, not as well made as a say TA, but they feel like your old beat up guitar. There are also great sounding Suhrs, but they don´t feel the same, they feel too perfect, industrial/plastic like to me on some or their finishes (not all of them).
BTW, in my experience, the less a Tyler has, the best it sounds. My faves are the classics (better with klusons) w/o boost, and the smaller neck size (classic size) opposed to the 59 roundback people use to prefer.
Anyway, there are also lemons. I´ve played 4-5 tylers that were nothing interesting.
I have played and owned MANY Andersons, Suhrs and Tylers.
All three are great guitars in their own right and each does something a little different.
For me, the Tyler feels like home. Each one feels like I have had it for many years, and they are comfortable to play out of the case.
The best thing is the fact that each is unique in its own little way and does not feel homogenized or mass produced.
All you have to do is play the neck once and you will be sold.
Have owned 3 Suhrs and 2 Tylers. The only one I still have is a Tyler Landau Classic.
Both makers are tops, but for me, the Suhr's felt like home. Tyler's do have some quirks that for some players make it special. Suhr's are flawless and some people feel that makes it "plastic". The electronics are better on the Suhr's IMO. Ultimately, you'll have to try them and decide for yourself. You cannot go wrong with either...
It's amazing how different we see things. I have played or owned over 20 Tyler and over 20 Suhrs. Of the 20 Tylers I only liked one of them; it was extremely special (ssh/no mid-boost). 2-3 were good, and the rest were lifeless and sterile, and they all had some noticable flaws (relic do as well). 4-5 years ago I had about a dozen guitar friends out to the house. These guys brought all kind of guitars and amps, and one of them brought 5 Tylers. We were all reluctant to say that the Tylers did not sound as good as the other guitars that were brought, and the guy walked around all day wondering why noone wanted to play his presious Tylers($15,000 worth). So of the 20 ; 1 was special, 2-3 were good, and I found the rest to be mediocre at best. (Disclaimer: I generally migrate to vintage instruments, and the Tylers just seemed very modern to me)
The Suhrs on the other hand were all great guitars. Even though they were not all my cup of tea, they excelled within their genre. Of the 20 or so, 10 were really special, and none of them were dogs. Every Suhr is a work of perfection, and most of them are very good. Occasionally you will fond one that is not good, but that is the exception.
As a side note, of the 50 or so CS fenders I have played only a couple of them were really great, and a good portion of them were suitable for a canoe pads.
That's not been my experience with Tylers, but I have no prejudices against modern appointments (and none against vintage either). I've found them to be consistently great feeling/playing and great sounding guitars. I've probably played about 15 of them, have owned at least 3 and still own one.
Best playing guitar....Suhr Landau strat...feel great in my hand, fast neck with a slight vintage feel...
Best sounding guitar....Tyler Strat. The way his pickups work with his guitars makes it sound amazing. Few guitars have recorded as well as the tyler i played on (S-S-S).
Suhr and Tyler are top notch. You really can't go wrong with either
Suhr would be my touring workhorse, and the tyler I would use in the studio.
Both guitars have Tone-For-Days-Play-Like-Butta-ZOMG-WTF-Excellent Cond-etc, etc.
After all of that, if the OP hasn't determined that trying them would be best...
Do all Tylers have that matte, grainy neck finish? I couldn't stand it on the one I tried. Then there's the headstock...
I have a Suhr myself. I'm fine with that, very good workmanship. I adjust it to my liking, and play the damn thing. It's a friggin' bolt on electric guitar, and you can pretty much chose every part that goes into making it...so the "I can't bond with [insert brand]" comments are a bit weird to me. Anyway, there are few guitars I bond with unless they're set up to my liking, and that's a thing I usually have to do myself.
If I can chose the parts and looks that make up a bolt on, I'm sure I'd be fine with any good builder. The reason I chose Suhr was first of all the SSC-system.
I've played both, and both make great guitars. I own a Tyler Classic and have not even considered another "strat" since I got it.
You need one of each In all seriousness, both are great guitars. I've owned a Suhr classic that has been a real "workhorse" Strat for me, I recently borrowed a Psychedelic Vomit from a friend, and really loved the guitar. Great feeling neck, and very robust single coil tones.