Suhr SL-68 cabinet recommendation

kruts

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Hi,

Has anyone tried the Suhr SL-68 (or another similar marshallesque amp) with a Suhr PT 2x12 cabinet loaded with G12H-75 creambacks? If so, did you like the sound? Or would the G12M-65 creamback be more suitable?

I'm looking to get a great classic rock sound with my SL68 cranked going into a 2x12 cabinet. I have a power attentuator/load to tame the volume down before it hits the cabinet. I am not interested in 4x12 cabinets. I would consider two 1x12 cabinets as well (EVH G12H30 speakers).

I've listened to countless clips of G12M, Heritage G12M, EVH, G12H30, G12M-65, G12-65, G12H-75, V30, etc. How different would a G12H-75 be in comparison to the G12M-65 with the Suhr SL-68?

Any recommendations from the community would be appreciated!

Thanks
 

rburkard

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For the Suhr SL 68 or SL67 you can't go wrong with either the G12H or the G12M Creambacks. The H types are significantly louder and therefore you might have to reduce the amps' volume depending on where you use it. The M types might allow you to turn up the amp a little more, which is what I would prefer if high volume is a problem. What the other M type Celestions are concerned, they lack the bottom in a 2x12 cab that the G12M Creambacks provide. However all these speakers will work fine and offer various flavors of Celestion signatures.
 

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For the Suhr SL 68 or SL67 you can't go wrong with either the G12H or the G12M Creambacks. The H types are significantly louder and therefore you might have to reduce the amps' volume depending on where you use it. The M types might allow you to turn up the amp a little more, which is what I would prefer if high volume is a problem. What the other M type Celestions are concerned, they lack the bottom in a 2x12 cab that the G12M Creambacks provide. However all these speakers will work fine and offer various flavors of Celestion signatures.

Are the G12H-75 creambacks similar to a V30 or more similar to a greenback in terms of the frequency range? I want to stray away from V30 "type" of speakers for the SL68...

Thanks!
 

sinasl1

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Hi,

Has anyone tried the Suhr SL-68 (or another similar marshallesque amp) with a Suhr PT 2x12 cabinet loaded with G12H-75 creambacks? If so, did you like the sound? Or would the G12M-65 creamback be more suitable?

I'm looking to get a great classic rock sound with my SL68 cranked going into a 2x12 cabinet. I have a power attentuator/load to tame the volume down before it hits the cabinet. I am not interested in 4x12 cabinets. I would consider two 1x12 cabinets as well (EVH G12H30 speakers).

I've listened to countless clips of G12M, Heritage G12M, EVH, G12H30, G12M-65, G12-65, G12H-75, V30, etc. How different would a G12H-75 be in comparison to the G12M-65 with the Suhr SL-68?

Any recommendations from the community would be appreciated!

Thanks
I'll tell you what I would do – I was just out at Celestion in the UK, and I tested a whole bunch of speakers. That new neo Creamback is exceptional, absolutely great, I listened right next to a green back and I swear it sounds more like the greenback than the creamback 65. And someways I actually liked it better than the greenback it sounded like a slightly less edgy more broken in version of the same speaker ! I was really blown away by it and I want to try some in the PT 2- 12. Of course there is a huge weight benefit also!
 

kruts

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I'll tell you what I would do – I was just out at Celestion in the UK, and I tested a whole bunch of speakers. That new neo Creamback is exceptional, absolutely great, I listened right next to a green back and I swear it sounds more like the greenback than the creamback 65. And someways I actually liked it better than the greenback it sounded like a slightly less edgy more broken in version of the same speaker ! I was really blown away by it and I want to try some in the PT 2- 12. Of course there is a huge weight benefit also!

Thanks sinasl1! I was impressed with the neo Creamback that I heard from the online clips. Going this route I would need to find a 2x12 cabinet and do a speaker swap... since I would assume most cabinets do not come stock with neo creambacks. I'm up in Canada, so finding an empty 2x12 cabinet is tough... so that is why I'm considering a PT 2-12 since there are a couple available (with the G12H-75 creamback speakers). I could also consider the EVH 2x12 (with G12H30 and swap them out for the neo creambacks).

Questions -
Do you think the G12H-75 creamback speaker would be too modern sounding for the SL68?

Am I better off going with an oversized cabinet (like PT 2-12) instead of a EVH 2x12?

Thanks
 
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rburkard

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Are the G12H-75 creambacks similar to a V30 or more similar to a greenback in terms of the frequency range? I want to stray away from V30 "type" of speakers for the SL68...

Thanks!
They are definitely much more in the greenback than in the V30 camp.
 

Roe

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Personally, I like the M/H combo. Also the V-type works well with these amps and it also works well in combo with the H75 creamback
 

James_E

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I have the pt100 2x12 cabinet you mention in the OP. I pair it with my sl67 head. Sounds great. If you are in the toronto area you are welcome to come try it out.
 

kruts

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keep in mind that a 100w plexi can eat speakers. two 60w speakers may not be safe

True, however I am taming the SL68 volume by setting it on the variac position (90V) with the master (PPIMV) between 7-8, and a suhr reactive load with the SL68 set to 8 ohms. This goes into a power amp and I've got the Suhr Reactive Load level at 9 o'clock. I think I'm under 50 Watts no problem with this setup... those neo creambacks are rated at 60W a speaker. BTW, I wasn't considering using the G12H30 speakers in the EVH 2x12... I would swap those out for neo creambacks or G12M-65 creambacks so that my 2x12 is rated over 100W.
 
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kruts

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I have the pt100 2x12 cabinet you mention in the OP. I pair it with my sl67 head. Sounds great. If you are in the toronto area you are welcome to come try it out.

Wow, this is great! I was hoping someone had a SLxx with a pt100 cabinet. Unfortunately I'm in BC and flights are expensive :) Thanks for the offer though!
 

kruts

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Personally, I like the M/H combo. Also the V-type works well with these amps and it also works well in combo with the H75 creamback

funny, I had the same thought/question this morning, about mixing a G12H-75 creamback with a G12M-65 creamback. Or mixing a G12H-75 creamback with EVH/Neo creamback, and then picking up a second 2x12 cabinet (unloaded) later in the future for a W/D/W setup (which I've never tried before).

Picking up the Suhr PT2-12 might give me a bit of options in the future. Budget isn't really a concern.
 
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Ok, that's good to know. The clips of the G12H-75 creambacks sounded a little scooped and aggressive like V30s.

yes, but they are still much more like a G12H Greenback/creamback or even blackback. These big magnet speakers sound good with superleads, esp. with the variac engaged
 

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I'll tell you what I would do – I was just out at Celestion in the UK, and I tested a whole bunch of speakers. That new neo Creamback is exceptional, absolutely great, I listened right next to a green back and I swear it sounds more like the greenback than the creamback 65. And someways I actually liked it better than the greenback it sounded like a slightly less edgy more broken in version of the same speaker ! I was really blown away by it and I want to try some in the PT 2- 12. Of course there is a huge weight benefit also!

pete - did you get a chance to try the creamback alnico?

i know some folks are also using that speaker, in place of greenbacks, in their M-type amps.
 

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Celestion alnico creams are fantastic in a 2x12 with a plexi-style amp. They handle 90 watts each too. I have a couple in a Kracke 2x12 with a Kracke Plexi 50 head and they sound fantastic.
 

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Thanks sinasl1! I was impressed with the neo Creamback that I heard from the online clips. Going this route I would need to find a 2x12 cabinet and do a speaker swap... since I would assume most cabinets do not come stock with neo creambacks. I'm up in Canada, so finding an empty 2x12 cabinet is tough... so that is why I'm considering a PT 2-12 since there are a couple available (with the G12H-75 creamback speakers). I could also consider the EVH 2x12 (with G12H30 and swap them out for the neo creambacks).

Questions -
Do you think the G12H-75 creamback speaker would be too modern sounding for the SL68?

Am I better off going with an oversized cabinet (like PT 2-12) instead of a EVH 2x12?

Thanks
So hard to says far as what you'll like for speakers ultimately, I like greenbacks for a plexi because they "filter" the tone in such a way that it just sounds great to me. Creamback 75 is such a nice speaker, not my favorite for a plexi (because it's bolder, more highs etc) but if you use mormal channel/blended channels a lot, and cleaner tones, could be the right call! I have not tried an EVH 2-12".
 

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Celestion alnico creams are fantastic in a 2x12 with a plexi-style amp. They handle 90 watts each too. I have a couple in a Kracke 2x12 with a Kracke Plexi 50 head and they sound fantastic.
Yes I could see that sounding good- those alnico creams are SWEET.
 




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