Teach me on 4x12 cabs

Kitarist

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I'm really interested to buy a 4x12 cab but its kinda cheap.

Why is like Harley benton cab only 200euro

While Marshall is 700 euro

Is it only because of the speakers ? or also wood ?

Doesnt marshall also use plywood 15mm or so?

So my main question is does the wood affect on the sound if not i'll buy the cheap 4x12 version and just swap the speakers

Thanks again
 

digital jams

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13 ply wood or better, MDF or Particle board imo does not produce the tight sounds of good baltic ply.

Cabs have to be well sealed and braced, I have had to re-seal cheaper cabs due to bad fitting joints.

Just look for a good used cab from Bogner, Diezel, Mojo, or BX Marshall cabs.
 
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Marshall Cabs are made in Great Britain, others too. Look for Vintage with non pb baffles and backs. Your right you can just replace the drivers.

I am sure that there are new sources as well what country are you in Transsssssssssssssssylvania?

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loudboy

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I'm really interested to buy a 4x12 cab but its kinda cheap.

Why is like Harley benton cab only 200euro

While Marshall is 700 euro

Is it only because of the speakers ? or also wood ?

Doesnt marshall also use plywood 15mm or so?

So my main question is does the wood affect on the sound if not i'll buy the cheap 4x12 version and just swap the speakers

Thanks again
You should be able to find a used Marshall for 300 euro, I'd imagine.

Loudboy
 

Ironman

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I've got a Mojo, Marshall 1960av and Peavey 5150, all slanted. With the same speakers the Mojo and Peavey sound surprisingly equal while the Marshall is a little stiffer. No night and day differences between my cabs, speakers are the biggest factor. If you gotta be cool go Marshall. If you don't care, I'd go for the cheaper cab and get the speakers you want. Hopefully the Benton it isn't a dog though. Good luck!
 

908SSP

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All the new Marshalls I've seen have PB sides and back. The only solid wood they use is the front.
Sorry don't believe that is true. For the 1960 model cabs the rear panel is MDF and some trim around the front edge is PB the rest is all 11 ply birch. They make all kinds of junk cabs for the transistor amps that are made of MDF they sound pretty dead.
 

LocustXReign

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I had a framus dragon 4x12 that was excellent, and should be decently priced in Europe considering their german manufacture.
 
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no PB on me

1985 1960a slant 4x12 with vintage greenbacks on top and 12H30's underneath. My TopHat EmplexadorII sits on top of that.

and I don't hafta be cool its just that way man

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alaskagrown

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Keep an eye out for Matamp, Orange, and Hiwatt cabs. They're all made in the UK and I'm pretty sure they're all 16-ply marine-grade birch. I've owned all of them, and aside from being a little heavy, they are fantastic cabs.

Edit: By the way, my main cab for the last 5 years is a 1974 Hiwatt... 34 years of abuse (it's beat to hell) and still solid as a rock!
 

Guitar Dave T

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I prefer solid pine to baltic birch for the cabinet, then baltic birch for the front and back.

How are your woodworking skills? Here's a step-by-step 1x12 I just completed, but the same construction would apply for a 4x12.

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/339284

Mine was done in natural wood finish, but if you want to tolex it, here's an excellent tutorial from one of The Gear Page's esteemed seniors. This also includes some good tips on applying grill cloth:

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/70200&highlight=slant+recover
 

Guitar Dave T

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Solid Pine is used in open back cabs when you want more of a Fender like sound. Most closed backs (like old Marshall 4x12s) use Birch. It depends on what sound you are looking for. If mostly cleans and SRV type blues, go with an open pine box, if heavier blues and rock, a closed back birch will serve up the tones. Or.... get both!
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+1!

I've built open back solid pine cabinets in the past, and they do the Fender thing nicely.

And my closed-back, birch ply Marshall slant 4x12 was dark, dark, dark - it didn't just thump - it hit you like a blunt sledge hammer.

So I thought, what if I ENCLOSE a solid pine cab? What happened was a best-of-both-worlds scenario; clear, articulate, yet lots of tight, focused, "thump".

And I run it in tandem with an open back combo. Very satisfying.
 




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