Testing new Royer micing technique- thanks Zenguitar!

scottl

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Hey guys,

While enjoying a nice spicy orange beef lunch at NAMM, my bud John March (Zenguitarguy) described a new technique of recording with the Royer R121. Instead of facing the mic at the cab, he told me to try turning it at an angle ( I used about 60 degrees) so the sound blows across the ribbon. Here is my first effort! Mic was a few inches back and slightly off center. Baker B1 on bridge. Glaswerks on 90s voice. No processing, just a little reverb in mix. Very chewy. Highs are not as present as the SM57 or I5.

http://www.scottlernermusic.com/2008/RoyerTestWerks1a.mp3
 

andybaylor

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Sounds Wonderful!

I used the same concept with a SM 57 on a project a week ago...just letting the sound "blow" across the mic. Really smoothed things out! (Tele track)

And mannnnn, the Glasswerks sounds GREAT.

I want one of those.
 

TNJ

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Nice!
Wonderful chops, man.
Sound quality very happening, again as usual.
In your recordings, there are only degrees of separation...kind of like getting that last 2-3% of ultimate tone tweakage from a really good amp.

That backing track sounds familiar?

:cool:

S.
j

Is DHL happening today? ;)
 

scottl

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Thanks DT! I did not mean to imply "new" to all. Just for me! Any suggestions you can offer as to distance, angle, and placement?

Thanks as always for your help...

And thanks to all who commented!

Jato, amp will be there Friday.


congrats on discovering this technique.
fwiw,
it's by no means "new".
enjoy it,
& don't bypass experimenting w/mic(s') distance(s),
in addition to mucking with the angle(s)-of-incidence.

dt / spltrcl
 

Woodyworld

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Very nice Scott! - wonderful playing as always that playout section on the fade was a corker!

Glad you found a new angle of the dangle to wangle.
 

Gary Brennan

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Great sound Scott! How high are all your gain levels set for this? Also is the guitar flat out too?

gb
 

ivers

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I'm liking this sound, very pleasant and musical highs through my speakers... and playing is wonderful as always!
 

Pickmaster

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Lovely playing as usual, but for me tone sounds bit thin. Lower punch on high notes are missing. It is easy to check this effect with simple 9 volt cell straight to the cab input.
Rotate mic in front of the speaker while switching cell on & off and record the click. Click will have mighty punch when mic and speaker membranes are parallel and thin squeaky click when perpendicular.
Just my two cents mate.
 

scottl

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Thanks Ika!

I'll try this.... I had the mic pretty well perpendicular. I may try 45 degrees. Or mixing a dynamic in. I liked the tone, but this was just a one take test. I need to do a bunch of samples in a row, while experimenting.

Lovely playing as usual, but for me tone sounds bit thin. Lower punch on high notes are missing. It is easy to check this effect with simple 9 volt cell straight to the cab input.
Rotate mic in front of the speaker while switching cell on & off and record the click. Click will have mighty punch when mic and speaker membranes are parallel and thin squeaky click when perpendicular.
Just my two cents mate.
 

jspax7

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I guess I'll throw this one up here from yesterday. A bit bolder in the mix and different angle and placement. Fat switch was on. Big and FAT. Kind of too fat maybe? Not thin at all.....

http://www.scottlernermusic.com/2008/RoyerTestWerksA.mp3
The highs were very nice in the first clip. The tone just seemed to breathe more. (best description I can muster at the moment...) The fat switch was a bit too fat. (for my tastes) Great tone, but I missed the sweeter highs.

I'd like to hear a comparison with the same amp setting but different angles on the mic.
 

zenguitarguy

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Hey guys,

While enjoying a nice spicy orange beef lunch at NAMM, my bud John March (Zenguitarguy) described a new technique of recording with the Royer R121. Instead of facing the mic at the cab, he told me to try turning it at an angle ( I used about 60 degrees) so the sound blows across the ribbon. Here is my first effort! Mic was a few inches back and slightly off center. Baker B1 on bridge. Glaswerks on 90s voice. No processing, just a little reverb in mix. Very chewy. Highs are not as present as the SM57 or I5.

http://www.scottlernermusic.com/2008/RoyerTestWerks1a.mp3
Wow!! That was sweet!!! Now you will want to try the 122V, even sweeter and more headroom!! (Just want to supprot your G.A.S., lol)
 

JohnM

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I think that technique came from the old ribbon mics that were more fragile...addressing the side of the mic helped reduce the danger of blowing the ribbon out of whack (thus killing the mic)
Definitely softens up the mids, although not in a bad way. Cool tone.
 

glaswerks

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I like that micing technique. It sounds more natural and more like what I heard when I am testing amps.

Great recording and playing.
 

Echoes

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The Royer R121 manual suggests this technique...I use the R121 3 feet away and off center to the speaker cab and angled about 30 degrees...and blend it with a SM57 angled hard along the speaker right up close against the grill. But I play loud. Very nice clip for the R121 mic alone!
 

wsaraceni

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i love that first clip. sounds so open and out front. did you post the whole signal chain? if not, would ya?
 




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