The Big Muff tone control... useful?

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The Big Muff Tone control is:

  1. Essential.

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  2. Sometimes useful.

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  3. Set and forget.

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  1. Snufkinoob

    Snufkinoob Member

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    :munchCould you do without it?
     
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  2. Vhailor

    Vhailor Supporting Member

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    Yes, essential. Could I do without it? No.

    The ability to roll in, or off, some mids or mid-highs is a requirement, especially with a severely mid-scooped pedal like a Big Muff. It's always going to have its sound but depending on context and the guitar which you're using, the capability is, for me, essential. Of course, one can use an eq pedal or the mixing desk's channel eq but sometimes you just need something that's built into the pedal.
     
  3. cbm

    cbm Silver Supporting Member

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    It's useful, particularly when coupled with a Mids control, as in some Basic Audio and SUF muffs.
     
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  4. woolyh

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    I find it more useful than most tone knobs which just roll of the high end.
     
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  5. Snufkinoob

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    chankgeez Member

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    Wot? Where?
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    Drak Supporting Member

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    I have a B.A.T. LSTR and the two variable sweep tone controls (tone/scoop) are the reason...
    I Don't Own Another Muff.
    Its so variable I don't need another.
    So...yes.

    I always wanted to buy/try a Scarab Deluxe, but its so not really needed.
    The tone and scoop controls make that thing as versatile as I ever need.
     
  8. AXXA

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    I’ve grown to like the mid scoop, so I like it. Usually set and forget, but it depends on the Muff

    That said, I wouldn’t want it on a different type of fuzz. Not often at least
     
  9. coltonius

    coltonius Señor Member Silver Supporting Member

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    I feel like there’s an option missing..

    __ worthless and awfully balanced/tuned

    :hide
     
  10. lefort_1

    lefort_1 Nuzzled Firmly Betwixt Gold Supporting Member

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    Variations/flexibility of a good thing, to me.
    Especially when varying pickups and amps are included... we all aren't using Marshall and Fenders.
     
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  11. CRWolf

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    Speaking strictly of the tone on the Big Muff w/ Tone Wicker I have and not BM-style pedals, I only find the tone useful from maybe 10-2 o'clock. I usually use that one with the tone control out of the circuit. The BM-style pedals I have are another story, but additional control over tone is kind of the point of those pedals.
     
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    I find that the tone knob has 2 positions that I like on most Big Muff units. 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock. 9 is good for low end fuzzy stuff and I really enjoy coupling it with an octave down effect, whereas 3 is good for bright leads, especially when pushed with a TS-style pedal.
     
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  13. Snufkinoob

    Snufkinoob Member

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    Still curious about this. :knitting
     
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    I can, and do use my Big Muff without a tone control. It's a Tone Wicker, so I have a switch to bypass the tone.
    Sometimes the tone control is useful. But I usually keep it bypassed.
     
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    ✔️ Bypass it and give me my midrange back
     
  16. cbm

    cbm Silver Supporting Member

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    Or get a Muff that has a Mids control.
     
  17. jimijimmyjeffy

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    Not a huge Muff guy, but appreciate them and have studied them a bit. Love them when used well.

    To me a good tone control on a muff is absolutely key and essential.

    And it is not a normal tone control but is more complex and nuanced. As I understand it, it is more a mix control between two different things that can become something more when mixed, long story short.
     
  18. althekiller

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    I find it useful. For example. The louder you run a volume on a muff the more the tone knob needs to be turned up I find or it gets too dark and boomy. Once that volume is over halfway that last 25% of the tone knob suddenly seems to fill out and not seem so thin and shrill.

    Same for the opposite. If I have to run the volume low for at home jamming then the tone control needs to be a lot lower imo or for the sounds I like. The sustain knob also comes into play. Less gain, more on the tone or muffs can get bland and flat sounding. More gain, lower tone.

    I’ve had lots of different muffs from boutique, to current ehx originals, to vintage and even though there is a lot of variation in circuits they all seem to act this way as far as settings go to my ears.

    I’m talking strictly 3 knob muff circuits here and not ones that have been modded for more options.
     
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  19. PSQRCL

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    Extremely useful

    It is a dynamic control that reacts differently depending on how you set the volume as well.

    At volumes lower than unity, you get a different character from the fuzz and tone control (more open to my ears). This to me is where the tone knob has the widest sweep / most effect.

    At volumes above unity (max for me) is where you get liquidy sustain and the tone knob has a narrower sweep. I like to keep the tone lower around 9’o clock into my Plexi to tame the high end. This is how jmascis runs his muffs to my knowledge.

    At volumes around unity, is a middle ground between the two above.

    Endless fun with muffs! Not to mention just subtle component changes affects tone drastically.
     
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  20. D. Redington

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    The tone wicker is my favorite modern variation of the big muff.

    I have the germanium4, little big muff & a nyc reissue as well that I haven't touched since I bought them brand new from Sweetwater over 5 years ago. Apparently I don't really care for the sound.
     

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