the short sustain on high frets

Discussion in 'Guitars in General' started by idnotbe, May 5, 2015.

  1. idnotbe

    idnotbe Supporting Member

    Messages:
    445
    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2014
    Location:
    NJ
    i have a les paul.

    on low frets, the sustain is good.
    but on high frets, the sustain is a little bit less than the average guitars or les pauls.

    the les paul does not have a specific dead spot.
    just the overall sustain especially on high frets are short.


    i guess... the pickup height, the ABR1 bridge or the tailpiece can make the problem.
    but don't know what is the exact reason.

    i think the pickup height is not so close to the strings.

    though i set it up to low action, (high E 1.25mm at 12th, low E 1.5mm)
    i cannot hear unusual buzzings.

    once i replaced the bridge and the tailpiece to Faber, which has locking design.
    it make the sustain a little bit longer.
    but the overtone disappeared.


    what can be the reason?
    what can be the solution?
     
  2. drbob1

    drbob1 Silver Supporting Member

    Messages:
    21,971
    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2004
    My guess would be that the arc of the frets at the high end of the fretboard is causing just a slight choking of the strings, not enough to buzz but enough to not sustain well. I'd take it into someone really good for a setup...
     
  3. Judas68fr

    Judas68fr Member

    Messages:
    1,098
    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2014
    maybe your neck is too straight
     
  4. Staggerlee

    Staggerlee Member

    Messages:
    1,627
    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2012
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Try two things independently. Raise the action a little bit. While low action makes the guitar easier to play, it takes away from tone and sustain (strings being closer to the frets limits vibrations). If this doesn't work to your satisfaction, try lowering the pups a little, like a single turn of the screw at a time. You can also try lowering the pups first and see if this works as well. Due to higher magnetic pull the strings may stop vibrating prematurely.

    Chances are it is a combination of both issues.
     
  5. 1radicalron

    1radicalron Member

    Messages:
    2,066
    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2004
    Location:
    Fog City
  6. WDeranged

    WDeranged Member

    Messages:
    47
    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2013
    Another less useful answer is that some guitars just don't have great sustain higher up the neck.

    Also most guitars don't sustain that well up the dusty end because you've got half as much string mass to vibrate.

    Still, only a pro will be able to tell you for sure whether it's a technical issue sucking your sustain.
     
  7. RTR

    RTR Supporting Member

    Messages:
    3,274
    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2013
    Location:
    Alabama
    Several good suggestions already, I will add that a good setup that includes a fret level and crown can work wonders.
     
  8. idnotbe

    idnotbe Supporting Member

    Messages:
    445
    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2014
    Location:
    NJ
    do u mean it should have an "enough" break angle?
     
  9. Ulug

    Ulug Member

    Messages:
    270
    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2013
    Location:
    Istanbul, Turkey
    Had that issue with a Dot in the past, and I had the upper frets towards the bridge (beyond the twelfth) gradually lowered during a fret level / crown job. That did solve the problem. The current action on the twelfth is just short of 1.5 mm. (around 3.5/64") on the treble side and slightly more than that (just short of 5/64") on the bass side, with a steeper rise towards the way higher frets. Perfect for me... Just an idea...
     
  10. fezz parka

    fezz parka Member

    Messages:
    879
    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2009
    Location:
    The Land that Time Forgot
    Staggerlee nailed it. Lower the neck pickup.
     
  11. swiveltung

    swiveltung Member

    Messages:
    14,566
    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2011
    Location:
    PNW
    I don't hear good sustain on any guitar up high. are you expecting too much?
    Think of the high notes on a piano... they are very short sustain also.
    Your action is very low. (1.25 mm = .050 inch right?)
     

Share This Page