The third most deadly killer regarding health is.....

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  1. swiveltung

    swiveltung Member

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    Health care, right behind heart attacks. That's right, getting medical care is the third most likely thing to kill you. Keep that in mind when your doc wants to run tests "just in case".
    The worst health problem I've had in my life was caused by a prostate biopsy, a biopsy I had just because they thought I should.
    There's a rule, I forget what it's called, but it says "always ask WHY, at least 5 times to get to the root of something."
     
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    Honestly the #1 killer is probably not getting health care. But there's no way to quantify that and it certainly isn't recorded via any Vital Statistics.
     
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    That is incredibly misleading, health care saves billions more (literally) lives than it has ever taken.
     
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    I thought it to be Mrs BP. shes going to bury me way before my time.
    28 yrs of marriage, im already on OT :(
     
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    Keep in mind that it's really difficult to get good data on this particular cause of death.
    There's no "Died because of medical error" option on a death certificate and morbidity and mortality reports are usually kept away from scrutinizing eyes.

    That being said, I agree with your point.
     
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  6. stevieboy

    stevieboy Clouds yell at me Gold Supporting Member

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    I'm a living testament to health care.
     
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    Your source?
     
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  8. VCuomo

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    Not exactly. According to a new study, the third leading cause of death (behind heart disease and cancer) is health care mistakes:
    :aok As am I.
     
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  9. Madsen

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    “Medicine is the art of entertaining the patient, as the body heals itself.”– Voltaire

    also most people who "die on the operating table" or due to "prescription conflicts" or in my mom's case "due to infections acquired as a result of a surgery that did not fix the problem & probably made it worse", are already in pretty bad shape when they go into a hospital.

    i spent some time working for a medical device manufacturer & my take away from those years was, we've got quite a few things we can fix & a bunch of stuff we can't. the "medical community" isn't always forthright on which is which. Doctors often don't know if they can do anything useful until they "get in there". also most people's medical problems tend to have more to do with their overall health & lifestyle long term, but our system is filled with "specialists" & "drugs" that treat one specific organ or symptom at a time.
     
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  10. Norsegod

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    I'm convinced. No more health care for me.
     
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  11. cogan

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    Was waiting for this thread to show up.

    The story that this claim is based on:

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/03/health/medical-error-a-leading-cause-of-death/

    is simply a distortion of a very simple literature review published in the British Medical Journal:

    http://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i2139

    The CNN reports make it sound like people are dying in droves on account of surgeons removing the wrong organ. While this rarely happens, it is not a real contributor to the situation at hand.

    If you look at the individual papers used to come up with the data for the review, you will find that, by far, the leading cause of death cited in these studies is something called "Failure to Rescue", as seen in the (by far) largest study in the group:

    http://www.providersedge.com/ehdocs/ehr_articles/Patient_Safety_in_American_Hospitals-2004.pdf

    "Failure to Rescue" essentially means that the doctors couldn't determine the cause of the illness and the patient ultimately died. So what this review actually concludes is that more people die now than would in a perfect world if doctors were infallibly able to diagnose illness and come up with the perfect cure in their first attempt. In other words, it's not really all that informative other than to point out that there is always room for improvement.

    The conclusion presented in the popular press is pure sensationalized ********.
     
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  12. Stratonator

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    The OP's conclusion being derived from seemingly nothing but anecdotal evidence, I believe it is always best to fully understand something before giving it the OK.

    Though I'm no doctor, you better believe that I'll only give the green light to tests and procedures that make sense.
     
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    Be Your Own Advocate, all the same.
     
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    I'd also like to add that if someone close to you is not capable of being their own advocate, someone (maybe you) needs to fill that role ASAP.
     
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    The problem here is that everyone tends to believe that they understand medical technology and the intricate workings of the human body when, in fact, the latest formal exposure to scientific information that most people have had is a freshman year of high school course in geology.
     
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    I do not pretend to understand the terminology but if I am given a bird's eye view of the test/procedure and it conflicts with my sense of logic, I wouldn't go for it until I'd research the matter myself or get a 2nd independent opinion.
     
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  17. Tommy Biggs

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    I read that the same way:
     
  18. swiveltung

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    It's been all over the news for a couple days. get up to speed, not just conjecture from me:

    “The most shocking revelation of her report is that iatrogentic damage (defined as a state of ill health or adverse effect resulting from medical treatment) is the third leading cause of death in the U.S., after heart disease and cancer.”

    https://chriskresser.com/medical-care-is-the-3rd-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-us/
     
  19. Hallogallo

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    Sounds real similar to my mother in law.
     

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