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there's no good music anymore...

david henman

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…music is always evolving and changing. it always has, and it probably always will. there was a time - 50, 60, 70 years ago - when the world was smaller and less populated. we all listened to am radio, then fm radio. we all watched ed sullivan. we all watched mtv. record companies took the time to develop artists and make us all aware of them. we all shared the experience, which culminated with woodstock (which spawned countless other festivals). it was a time of change and discovery. disparate musical genres were blended to create new musical genres (this has happened throughout history, for hundreds of years). the invention of electrified instruments, then multitrack recording accelerated change and motivated musicians, who developed new techniques and inspired other musicians.

not surprisingly, at least to most of us, the world continued to change, as it always has and always will. and with every change, those unable to accept change whined and complained and proclaimed that their music, their era, their generation was superior to whatever new developments were the result of change. i’m pretty sure that if you could time travel back to the 1370s, you would find people complaining that life was better back in the 1360s and 1350s - “life was so much simpler back in MY day.” none of this has anything whatsoever to do with any era, any generation, being superior to subsequent generations.

people have always made music with whatever tools were available at the time. they always will. people will create beats and rhythms, whether that involves banging two rocks together, or tapping out a rhythm on a midi keyboard. people will always vocalize, whether that involves complex arias, primitive chants, making vocal noises like throat singing and other cultural constructs, rhyming, shouting, screaming, crooning, talking or reciting, scatting etc.

i am writing this in 2021. the world is much bigger than it was when i sat on the edge of my bed 60 years ago trying to learn how to play a C chord on my sears acoustic guitar. it is far more diverse. and infinitely more exciting, at least in the context of technology - we now have instant access to literally all the music that is and has ever been. but it’s all music. real music. all of it. and no one gets to decide that. ever. sure, we can offer an opinion, for what opinions are worth. in fact, the only person who gets to decide if a noise they make is music is the person who makes that noise - if their intent was to make music, it is music. you don’t have to like it. you don’t even have to listen to it.

all any of us are required to do is enjoy the music that speaks to us, and respect the simple fact that other people enjoy the music that speaks to them. again, music is always evolving and changing. that is the simple reality. many people cannot handle reality, and that is just…sad…
 
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Spider Mark

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All I can think of to respond is to quote Finnegan's Wake:

"The great fall of the offwall entailed at such short notice the pftjschute of Finnegan, erse solid man, that the humptyhillhead of humself prumptly sends an unquiring one well to the west in quest of his tumptytumtoes:and their upturnpikepointandplace is at the knock out in the park where oranges have been laid to rust upon the green since devlinsfirst loved livvy."
 

A-Bone

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Couldn't agree more.
 

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Write that 10 times on the wall before sunrise to learn your lesson
 

Spider Mark

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...let the incessant whing begin.
OK, we move onto spelling? More Joyce is called for then:

"O here here how hoth sprowled met the duskt the father of fornicationists but, (O my shining stars and body!) how hath fanespanned most high heaven the skysign of soft advertisement! But was iz? Iseut? Ere were sewers? The oaks of ald now they lie in peat yet elms leap where askes lay. Phall if you but will, rise you must: and none so soon either shall the pharce for the nunce come to a setdown secular phoenish. Bygmester Finnegan, of the Stuttering Hand, freemen’s maurer, lived in the broadest way immarginable in his rushlit toofar-back for messuages before joshuan judges had given us numbers or Helviticus committed deuteronomy (one yeastyday he sternely struxk his tete in a tub for to watsch the future of his fates but ere he swiftly stook it out again, by the might of moses, the very water was eviparated and all the guenneses had met their exodus so that ought to show you what a pentschanjeuchy chap he was!) and during mighty odd years this man of hod, cement and edifices in Toper’s Thorp piled buildung supra buildung pon the banks for the livers by the Soangso."
 

Ed DeGenaro

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Funny how some folks treat this place like music...if isn't easily digestible the moaning starts.
To the OP...what is the point, you're clearly not wrong. Ist it just to point out that as we age and the mainstream caters to younger we shake fists at clouds because things like they used to be?
Well, doh!

Music, current or not is never the issue.
Where one looks is.
And that is before we look at non Western music in 2021 (when the world is a village) and neither Europe nor the US matter like they once did....

So while i appreciate the consumers handwringing about not being served enough palpable background drivel they can wax poetically about (it was the soundtrack to my life)...
I worry about the clock being set back 300 years to it being necessary to have patronage as musician or composer.

But hey, as long as we can have some one hack badly through songs of our youth on a YouTube tutorial and that gives us GAS for another excuse to not practice it's all good.
 

jaxjaxon

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Is any one going to comment on the statement or just add nothing to the conversation. Hear is how I see the music scene, the producers and radio will determine what is heard, so you will never hear new and different styles that are around. Look how long it took for Frank Zappa to get any air play, as aa example.
 






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