Thoughts/opinions on AKG C-12 or Telefunken 251 clones?

Michael, In my humble opinion I think the C-12vr's are not really that close to the C-12's I have used. I personally don't like them much and would use a M147 or M149 before a C-12VR. I know Everclear would carry around thier own C-12VR for Art's vocals. I tend to think his vocals were always a little bright and tinny for my taste. That is the way the mike sounds to me when I have tried it. That said it could sound nice on darker sources but I never tried.

As for the Telefunken thing I have heard good things about the Soundelux and the Lawson but not tried those before.

 

The C12VR is nothing like the original. I have both and know each very well. I prefer the original 100:1, but there are two people in particular that I record from time to time that sound best through the VR. These are singers that, live, have an overload of certain frequencies in their voices that are masked by the VR, making them perfect for each other.

But it's rare that I'd ever like the VR over a true C-12, and certainly not over a 251 (possibly my all time favorite mic).

As for the Soundelux 251 - it's tremendous. Sounds GREAT on almost everything. Soundelux, in general, makes great mics.

They are my favorites for 251, but John Peluso makes a terrific 47 clone, and will soon offer a C-12 clone (or so he's been saying for a long time) that I'd have to assume will be terrific also.

On the high end of what's currently available, I'd have to recommend that you look at Korby. His C12s are supposed to be very good, but it's sort of his thing to sell multiple capsules in a package (C12, 47, 251), so maybe more than you'd want. I'm not sure if he sells them one at a time.

 

Sounds like the Lawson is a winner. The extra flexibilty would be nice.

Interesting about Mick's voice. His speaking voice sounds pretty beefy in the low register and his singing voice I guess has some of that quality. Might be why it works for him.

 

Well put!!!!! Me Too.

 

It's always been my impression that Mick used dynamic microphones, which are even less expensive. This is the first I've heard that he uses a VR. Did the film say specifically that he records with that mic, or was he shown standing in front of one in the film, which doesn't necessarily mean that he records with one when the camera is off?

Mick's mic preference has always been one of the often talked about oddities of recording top-level singers, and if he's using a VR now then he's sort of sold out. (That was a joke, btw. He sounds good on tape whatever he uses.)

Many singers will only use a very specific mic, not just a specific model, that they'll travel with. Celine Dion (a 251, I believe), Mariah Carey (used to be a Sony C800), and even Kid Rock, believe it or not ("Kid" owns one of the world's absolute best 251s).

About the varying sound of each 251 - if they do vary so much, Pro Audio Review's test be awarding a prize to the mic that most closely matched only one of the 251s, and not even necessarily the best of the bunch. Nothing against the Lawson, which is a great mic also, but the test didn't seem to be aiming for the BEST, but for the most SIMILAR to one sample of a 251.

 

Lou Gramm has a Klaus Heyne-modded U-87 that he bought from Klaus in 1977, for the first Foreigner record and has cut about every lead vocal he's ever done with it. It sounds a little dark whilst you're tracking, but when you hit it w/an 1176-style comp and give it a little boost in the highs at mixdown, there it is.

It's got yellow and pink hair elastic thingies in place of the original elastics on the shockmount.

Loudboy

 

A review is a test.

"Best" means nothing, which is entirely my point. I think people would read that review and assume that the mic which most closely matched the tone of their particular test 251 was the "best," but it's the best only at matching that particular mic. This is what I said in my previous post.

In the case of Kid Rock's 251 being called "one of the best," the term is appropriate because it's specific to what's being recorded, in this case rock lead vocals. Although "what's the best mic" is a popular question, it ALWAYS needs a qualifier -- best for what? Even then, "best" isn't quite appropriate, but "better" could be as long as the question is qualified.

People continue to ask the question though, and others continue to try to answer.