Tight speakers for open-backed combos?

Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs' started by bemymonkey, Aug 21, 2008.

  1. bemymonkey

    bemymonkey Member

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    Hey guys. :)

    So I've got a bit of a problem: My Laney VC-50 doesn't sound tight enough with fast palm mutes - as a matter of fact, it sounds a bit like a fuzz (like a Big Muff sorta)... and the problem seems to be the speakers.

    When I run it through my Laney Pro Tube closed-back 4x12" cab, the problem is gone, and it sounds absolutely awesome (just like the VH100R I usually run through that cab) - So I guess I just need some speakers that sound nice and tight in the open-backed combo cabinet.

    Any ideas? I've tried Eminence GB128 in there, but they were even less tight (no big surprise, though :D). Thinking along the lines of a Governor and a Wizard (it's a 2x12" combo). The speakers need to be good all-rounders, since I need stellar cleans as well as good crunch and high gain sounds...

    If nothing helps, I guess I'll just have to cut the damned thing in half and use it as a head :)...

    Thanks in advance!
     
  2. slider313

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    First of all, welcome to TGP. Celestion classic lead 80's.
     
  3. bemymonkey

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    Thanks for the warm welcome :)

    I remember Classic Lead 80s being having a very spiky, shrill upper midrange (albeit in a closed-back cab). I think I need something a bit smoother for this amp - something that sounds like a G12T75 + V30 closed-back mix would be perfect.

    Or are the Classic Leads less shrill in an open-backed cab? :)

    Thanks for the tip.
     
  4. bemymonkey

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    No more suggestions? :)
     
  5. TubezAmpz

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    I think you just like the sound of a closed cab better. Personally I prefer open back, but I like the loose feeling and abundance of midrange.
     
  6. bemymonkey

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    Possible, but I don't think I can just nail the back of the amp shut :D... Maybe I should get a closed-back V30 2x12" and put that underneath the combo. That should help some, and maybe the blend won't sound half bad... :)
     
  7. rockon1

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    G12K-100's! Have them in a "ported" 2x12 cab and they sound great for lots of different stuff including heavy. Just a great all around speaker IMO. Bring on the palm mutes. Bob
     
  8. Rosewood

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    Cannabis rex is tight and smooth for a 50 watter, may not be the tone you want though.
     
  9. bemymonkey

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    Sounds interesting, I'll take a listen anyway :)

    Cool, thanks for the tip - but isn't a ported cab basically a closed cab with bass reflex ports? The speakers sound pretty good description-wise though :)...


    -edit- Another quick question: Are any of the neodym speakers decent for open-backed cabs? Because I wouldn't mind cutting down on the weight while I'm at it ;)...
     
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    EV12L. Warning, extremely heavy! Back is bitchy, fingers & ears happy. Open back combo 1x12.
     
  11. rockon1

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    Well my cab isnt exactly ported hence the quotes. It was a closed back that I cut about 4 inches off the bottom. Somewhere between semi open and ported I guess! With 2 G12K100's it seems to cover a lot of sonic ground. Bob

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  12. jumpnblues

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    Not sure if your amp has a tube rectifier but if it does a Weber copper cap rectifier will tighten things up a bit. And it's cheaper than changing speakers. Check to see if they have one to go with your amp.


    Tom
     
  13. bemymonkey

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    No thanks - that thing weighs about 44kg already. With EVM12Ls it'll probably weigh like 60...

    Cool, I'll check those out...

    Cool. I wonder if I can find someone who'll let me borrow a pair :)

    Sounds interesting, but I think the VH100R/VC50 have solid state rectifiers...
     
  14. rastaman

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    Every CL80 I've heard and have do not sound spiky or have a shrill upper midrange. I'm using Marshalls with them FWIW.
     
  15. bemymonkey

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    Hmmm, maybe I'm just confusing them with a different speaker. Guess I'll have to give 'em another try :)...
     
  16. Dexter.Sinister

    Dexter.Sinister Still breathing Gold Supporting Member

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    I recently replaced the G12H30 in my Bogner Duende combo with an Austin Speaker Works ASW KTS60 after a recommendation from Lance and the ASW crew. I auditioned a new drummer for our organ/guitar/drums trio lastr night and recorded the output. The amp sounded greta before, but lacked some of the girth I wanted. This speaker gave me everything I was looking for without compromising the clean tone. I needed to re-evalluate my EQ (particulary the preamp treble and post-preamp air controls), but after finding the right EQ for our mix, it was, in a word, STUNNING and made the amp bigger sounding...not like a 4x12, but bigger, tighter and very "musical". This speaker sounds good out of the box, is a clear upgrade for this amp, and I look forward to pounding on it for another 50 hours to see if it opens up more.

    So I'd suggest that speaker.

    DS
     
  17. rastaman

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    Marshalls and Mesas to be exact.
     

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