If you know me or have known me online at least, you know I was a pretty deep convert to loops. Not so much for electronica, but for "real" sounding and feeling grooves and such. I built a solo album around such tools that I put out in 2001. For the last year I have been working in collaberation with Marilyn Mack again, her and I were members of the Marilyn Mack Group from 1995-2000 and we parted ways till this past year. We are working together on a new recording project and at first I went to the loops and did some really good stuff. Then I ran across Brian McRae at www.drumoverdubs.com and decided to give him a go at a few songs. His price was incredible for what he was offering me - up to 12 tracks (or more if needed) of top notch drums played by him to my demo. He works with you once he gets your track and you give him direction. He then does some takes and mp3's you the results. The guy has chops, taste, ears, feel, groove, and he offers ideas and his kits and rooms *REAL!* are killer sounding. His finished tracks are outstanding on a engineering level to boot. He turns things around very fast (when he isn't out touring, and he is very upfront and honest about when he can turn things around) and I have to say this - loops are for kids. Nothing touches what a real top notch totally pro player brings to the table. The results on my demos thus far (Marilyn and I have been on hiatus for a few months due to work situations and scheduling difficulties) is nothing short of inspiring and - honestly - just takes things to a different level. I have read a lot of "how do I get good drums...." threads lately and have bit my tongue, but I have to come clean. Loops and midi just don't cut it in real life. Use them to work your arrangement out; cut the thing with a real drummer once you get there. Trust me on this. And to boot, Brian is a really cool guy. If you check him out, tell him I sent ya.