Time Person of the Year

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  1. viejo

    viejo Member

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    I'm sure none of those women have ever used sex to get what they wanted.
     
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  2. A-Bone

    A-Bone Montonero, MOY, Multitudes Gold Supporting Member

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    Is that even relevant?
     
  3. chrisjw5

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    Sex does not equal harassment. Sex does not equal rape. Sex does not equal indecent exposure.

    You're comparing apples to anvils.

    No.
     
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    It is how he rationalizes abhorrent behavior, it is relevant insofar as it is his excuse.
     
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    I disagree with your assessment...seems will have to agree to disagree....
     
  6. EricPeterson

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    Yes, you can agree to disagree with everyone else in the thread.
     
  7. mattamatta

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    Dude; I freaking love to abuse semicolons! :love:
     
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    I’ll just assume you don’t have a reason why?

    I guess so, although I prefer to have my disagreements with people who have reasons for their beliefs.
     
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    Power is an essential element in these cases. Some say sex has no role - I say it does have some. While power can be relative, the most powerful harassers tend to get away with it the longest and may do the most audacious things. This is confounded by the fact that power actually can be an attractant for certain would be victims - they may give the harasser what he wants before he can be a pig about it.

    There's no way around this - this is a horrible mess.

    Everyone used to talk about how the Internet would make each and every person's life better, in virtually every way. Now there are people who say that "all the innocent men need not fear a thing". I prefer to wait and see about that.
     
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    It's weird you liked a post asking that question, and then proceeded to ask the same question. My post was referring to the mentality that contibutes to the type of statement quoted above it.
     
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    This kind of conduct is not tolerated in US companies so I'm glad it extends to politicians now, too.
     
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    There are some people who will swear up and down the sky is orange and call it their "opinion". Not worth the time.
     
  13. Mighty Melvin

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    Just coincidentally, I opened Joan Collins' autobiography last night. It turns out that she lost her virginity to a guy who drugged her and raped her. So she married him and gets knocked around for a while until he tries to pimp her to some horrible old rich guy.

    Now that I would call bad.
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    A-Bone and I posted at about the same time.


    So you have no example?
     
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    marktweedy In Transit® Silver Supporting Member

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    The weight to be given an opinion is dependent on the facts which underly it, and the expertise in the subject area of the person offering it. Where there is a complete absence of both, the "opinion" is a meaningless statement. It doesn't take on any significance because it is said to be an opinion.
     
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    It probably takes on less.
     
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    marktweedy In Transit® Silver Supporting Member

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    Indeed. It is often a tell for "I don't know what I am talking about".
     
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    That is my opinion also.
     
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    Added another clause.
     
  20. Boris Bubbanov

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    I don't know.

    Ever put yourself in the shoes of the young person that would like to advance, but refuse in any way to use their physical appearance as "bait" to get a shot at another step up the ladder?

    Highly attractive men march up the ladder of success, and women attempt to do the same thing, or a percentage of them will. In the same way that some journalists will accept a scary dangerous assignment in a war zone to work their way up the organizational chart (and it sure is not their fault if they get killed), so some ambitious people will decide to take a greater risk ( to tempt their boss or potential boss ) to achieve their goals. But there's no "on off" switch on that boss and he may run amok.

    So, is it relevant if a man or woman dresses to "impress"? If nobody did, there would still be sexual abuse. But would there be so much of it? IMO you can't have a "Sex Sells" culture and expect to have no unintended consequences of it. There's a moron with the initials G R that suggested "flirty culture" was the cause of the attacks on women in TV. I don't agree; but our culture does prize the ability of a person to enter a room and put most everyone in a trance. I don't know what the solution might be.
     
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