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I like to think simple. Playing is supposed be fun.. not
like school home work. But it's better to have some foundation.
Here is some ideas on triads. Just like foods, if you like this
"take it" if you don't dig it. just ignore this please. This is not
best answer.
First, knowing CAGED , Penta tonic, Major scale are good thing. Many people
like you who has been playing box shapes, has same feeling "I want to get out from
these box!). I understand it. Problem is not knowing notes name, degree.. sometimes.
So all you need to is re-learn these (what you know) from different point of view.
So let's start to learn your TRIAD(Rt 3 5/ 3 5 Rt/ 5 Rt 3).
I can suggest something here so later you can do by yourself.
1) Learn C triad (CEG/ EGC/ GCE)
over 123/234/345/456 set of strings.
Side way, Across.....
2) Do the same thing in F.
3) do these on C F Bb Eb..
Then you 'll understand your fretboard.
And "Color" means... Many things, Chord changes... or Say Dom 7 has certain color
9th chord... (Rt 3 b7 9th 5th) not shape , sound and color. So that you need to relearn
all your chord voicing with those color, degree... That's why triads are best way to start.
Because you only need to deal with 3 notes, Simple is BETTER for me.
Rt 3 5
3 5 Rt
5 RT 3
Each one has a color. So you need to know by sound (emotion)
and Degree (Technique) Those balance make you as better guitar player.
Then apply these to music. That's how you study and practice your guitar.
Specific direction and goal. It's fun!
For instance, if you play G triad on 123 strings
from bottom to up .... let me spell the notes
Over G (just G triad) G triad over C majot7 G over A7
B D G (3rd 5th Rt) (M7 9th 5th) (9th 11 b7)
D G B (5th Rt 3rd) (9th 5th M7) (11 b7 9th)
G B D (Rt 3rd 5th) (5th M7 9th) (b7 9th 11)
but if you play G triad over C major7 ?
Color changes to 5th M7 9th instead of Rt 3rd 5th
How about play over A7? b7 9th 11(sus4)
Carlton and Robben plays this way over dom 7
Play A & G triad over A7 chord, what you get?
Rt 3rd 5th from A and b7 9th 11 from G ....sound like
A Mixsolydinan without 6th degee?
Traids are very powerful for me.
Those are just a taste. Good luck!
PS,
I will write next how to make, play
melody with chords. Chord melody as
Tomo's Triad lesson Vol 2.
Tomo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Update!!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi all,
I would like to add more info regarding triads.
You don't have to buy anything. I am not great writer(I wish)
but I do my best to help you about triads.
I generally practice more on my time, my touch, and Tone.
Especially grooves. I am sucker for any rhythm guitar.
It's very interesting... more I practice my rhythm guitar
and harmony. It seems like my soloing is getting better?
Because I was preparing my harmony sense, song forms
with triads as well as Rt 3rd 7th chords, so this made
me to see clear path for my soloing.
Most people want to improving their soloing skills,
but I think there is not enough preparation for changes
(specific sound direction , harmony relationship).
I hope I can help a little. My goal is your freedom of playing
guitar.
Tomo 6/22/06
>>>>>>>>
Tomo DVD tour Box
>>>>>>>>
Hi guys,
Thanks for reading here. I thought about this....
I will post my previous posts which I edited a bit for easy to understand.
It's like a summary of what I wrote regarding triad topics. I will keep adding
more here for you to review things.
Thanks,
Tomo 7/16/06
>>>>>>>>>
Reviewing " Triad and melody in E"
I teach my students. simple tune in key of E.
Because you can make a major scale on 1st string.
0 2 4 5 7 9 11 12 frets. Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti Do.
(also... Key of C is uncool for guitar!!!)
Keep it simple is the important key for me.
Ok, play triads on 123 strings like this.
Just top 123 strings. Let's review these.
E triad:
0 4 7 12
0 5 9 12
1 4 9 13
A triad:
0 5 10
2 5 9
2 6 10
B triad:
2 7 11
4 7 12
4 8 11
Now play Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti do on E string(1st string)
0 2 4 5 7 9 11 12.....
Now it's time to play with the triads.
0 2 4 5 7 9 11 12
0 4 5 5 9 10 12 12
1 4 4 6 9 9 11 13
So i iv v chords can be melody. I don't like to rely or think too much
theoy. Think music first instead of reason.........
What sound good to you?
You can play chord melody on 123 strings.
Just E , A, B.... 3 shapes.
Of course, once you can master this.
What do you do next???
Yes, you are right!!! Apply this idea to your music!
How about apply same chord sound into different positions...
let's say... 234 set strings.
GO!
Please don't forget to feel the degrees. not just those shapes.
Tomo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
" i vi ii v triads idea"
Reviewing on triads over 1 6 2 5 changes.
Let's try these over top 123 set strings.
1) Key of Bb
123 strings)
a) Play all three inversions from possible area..... Bb...... G........C-........F.......
b) choices of direction. from bottom to up, from up to down, or combination....
c) Play in tempo?
Could you do play these without big effort?
now step 2.
2) Key of Bb: (234 strings)
now you try same ideas over 234 strings.
now step 3?
3) Key of Eb:
a) Play all 3 triads over each chord ... Eb....... C...........F-............ Bb.............
b) b) choices of direction. from bottom to up, from up to down, or combination....
Step 4.
4) Now it's time to play Bb G C- F like this
a) 1 3 3 5
3 3 4 6
3 4 5 5
b) Then next pos.....
6 7 8 8
6 8 8 10
7 7 8 10
c) Then.... next....
10 10 11 13
11 12 13 13
10 12 12 14
How's going so far? Can I do next step?
Tomo
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" Review C triads over 123 set strings. And apply to C F, Bb, Eb..."
1) C triads over 123 set strings. Feel the top notes: 3rd, Rt, 5th again....
Think about shape first is ok. then degrees.... Don't look at your fingers too much.
0 3 8 12
1 5 8 13
0 5 9 12
Are you ready to go next? OK.
2) Apply your C major triads to key in F. Do this very slow please.
If you hurry to work on this, then you are trying to memorize.... no no.....
you need to apply this naturally.What is the top notes. Don't count, follow the color of sound.
From the bottom note... 5th, Rt , 3rd.
Yes, good question! Fingerings. There are 3 voicings.
From bottom to top.
a) E shape. 1 & 2 fingers
b) D shape 1, 2 & 3 fingers.
c) A shape 3,4 & 1 fingers.
1 5 8
1 6 10
2 5 10
3) Bb triads: Starting different fingering.... do you understand it?
A shape(5th), E shape(Rt), and D shape(3rd)......
Most of us thought bar chords are cooler than camp fire open chords?
Real world more simple is better (in my world)
1 6 10
3 6 11
3 7 10
4) Eb triads..... These are really useful when you jam with SRV!
3 6 11
4 8 11
3 8 12
OK. Review more here...
a) Triangle shape: D form. Top mote is 3rd. From bottom.. 5th Rt 3rd
b) If you use 1, 3, 4 fingers......This is "A form" top note is 5th. Yes.
c) Famous E shape!!! You can play just this shape ... slide side by side.
You can play slide guitar! Top note is Rt. Yes.
How was that? Now it's ready to apply your triad into tunes.
Tomo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I should go over how to apply triads over jazz standard changes... but let me do some
rock, blues tunes, ok?
"Little Wing"
Basic changes are... (as simple as triads)
E- G A- E- B- (Bb-) A- C G F C D........
Play like this(very simple) ... 123 set strings.
0 3 0 0 2 (1) 0 0 3 1 0 2 (1st E string)
0 3 1 0 3 (2) 1 1 3 1 1 3 (2nd B string)
0 4 2 0 4 (3) 2 0 4 2 0 2 (3rd G string)
or.... side way... 3 positions on each triad... just in case.
037 3710 058 037 2710(169) 058 038 3710 158 038 2510
058 3812 1510 058 3712(2611) 1510 158 3812 1610 158 3710
049 4712 259 049 4711(3610) 259 059 4712 2510 059 2711
a) From bottom to up.... each chord, 3 triads.
b) Up to bottom...
c) any directions, any combinations.
d) Play music, mix ideas.... but please make sure that you can play
these triads over each chord effortlessly, naturally without thinking
too much shapes or visual aspect....
I would like to stick around good fundamental for advance playing.
Please spend your triads with "Little Wing" This may change your playing?
Hopefully you can add something to your own playing.
I have next ideas follow this tune.
PS, Guys, thanks for your time and writing.
Tomo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
like school home work. But it's better to have some foundation.
Here is some ideas on triads. Just like foods, if you like this
"take it" if you don't dig it. just ignore this please. This is not
best answer.
First, knowing CAGED , Penta tonic, Major scale are good thing. Many people
like you who has been playing box shapes, has same feeling "I want to get out from
these box!). I understand it. Problem is not knowing notes name, degree.. sometimes.
So all you need to is re-learn these (what you know) from different point of view.
So let's start to learn your TRIAD(Rt 3 5/ 3 5 Rt/ 5 Rt 3).
I can suggest something here so later you can do by yourself.
1) Learn C triad (CEG/ EGC/ GCE)
over 123/234/345/456 set of strings.
Side way, Across.....
2) Do the same thing in F.
3) do these on C F Bb Eb..
Then you 'll understand your fretboard.
And "Color" means... Many things, Chord changes... or Say Dom 7 has certain color
9th chord... (Rt 3 b7 9th 5th) not shape , sound and color. So that you need to relearn
all your chord voicing with those color, degree... That's why triads are best way to start.
Because you only need to deal with 3 notes, Simple is BETTER for me.
Rt 3 5
3 5 Rt
5 RT 3
Each one has a color. So you need to know by sound (emotion)
and Degree (Technique) Those balance make you as better guitar player.
Then apply these to music. That's how you study and practice your guitar.
Specific direction and goal. It's fun!
For instance, if you play G triad on 123 strings
from bottom to up .... let me spell the notes
Over G (just G triad) G triad over C majot7 G over A7
B D G (3rd 5th Rt) (M7 9th 5th) (9th 11 b7)
D G B (5th Rt 3rd) (9th 5th M7) (11 b7 9th)
G B D (Rt 3rd 5th) (5th M7 9th) (b7 9th 11)
but if you play G triad over C major7 ?
Color changes to 5th M7 9th instead of Rt 3rd 5th
How about play over A7? b7 9th 11(sus4)
Carlton and Robben plays this way over dom 7
Play A & G triad over A7 chord, what you get?
Rt 3rd 5th from A and b7 9th 11 from G ....sound like
A Mixsolydinan without 6th degee?
Traids are very powerful for me.
Those are just a taste. Good luck!
PS,
I will write next how to make, play
melody with chords. Chord melody as
Tomo's Triad lesson Vol 2.
Tomo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Update!!!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi all,
I would like to add more info regarding triads.
You don't have to buy anything. I am not great writer(I wish)
but I do my best to help you about triads.
I generally practice more on my time, my touch, and Tone.
Especially grooves. I am sucker for any rhythm guitar.
It's very interesting... more I practice my rhythm guitar
and harmony. It seems like my soloing is getting better?
Because I was preparing my harmony sense, song forms
with triads as well as Rt 3rd 7th chords, so this made
me to see clear path for my soloing.
Most people want to improving their soloing skills,
but I think there is not enough preparation for changes
(specific sound direction , harmony relationship).
I hope I can help a little. My goal is your freedom of playing
guitar.
Tomo 6/22/06
>>>>>>>>
Tomo DVD tour Box
>>>>>>>>
Hi guys,
Thanks for reading here. I thought about this....
I will post my previous posts which I edited a bit for easy to understand.
It's like a summary of what I wrote regarding triad topics. I will keep adding
more here for you to review things.
Thanks,
Tomo 7/16/06
>>>>>>>>>
Reviewing " Triad and melody in E"
I teach my students. simple tune in key of E.
Because you can make a major scale on 1st string.
0 2 4 5 7 9 11 12 frets. Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti Do.
(also... Key of C is uncool for guitar!!!)
Keep it simple is the important key for me.
Ok, play triads on 123 strings like this.
Just top 123 strings. Let's review these.
E triad:
0 4 7 12
0 5 9 12
1 4 9 13
A triad:
0 5 10
2 5 9
2 6 10
B triad:
2 7 11
4 7 12
4 8 11
Now play Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti do on E string(1st string)
0 2 4 5 7 9 11 12.....
Now it's time to play with the triads.
0 2 4 5 7 9 11 12
0 4 5 5 9 10 12 12
1 4 4 6 9 9 11 13
So i iv v chords can be melody. I don't like to rely or think too much
theoy. Think music first instead of reason.........
What sound good to you?
You can play chord melody on 123 strings.
Just E , A, B.... 3 shapes.
Of course, once you can master this.
What do you do next???
Yes, you are right!!! Apply this idea to your music!
How about apply same chord sound into different positions...
let's say... 234 set strings.
GO!
Please don't forget to feel the degrees. not just those shapes.
Tomo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
" i vi ii v triads idea"
Reviewing on triads over 1 6 2 5 changes.
Let's try these over top 123 set strings.
1) Key of Bb
a) Play all three inversions from possible area..... Bb...... G........C-........F.......
b) choices of direction. from bottom to up, from up to down, or combination....
c) Play in tempo?
Could you do play these without big effort?
now step 2.
2) Key of Bb: (234 strings)
now you try same ideas over 234 strings.
now step 3?
3) Key of Eb:
a) Play all 3 triads over each chord ... Eb....... C...........F-............ Bb.............
b) b) choices of direction. from bottom to up, from up to down, or combination....
Step 4.
4) Now it's time to play Bb G C- F like this
a) 1 3 3 5
3 3 4 6
3 4 5 5
b) Then next pos.....
6 7 8 8
6 8 8 10
7 7 8 10
c) Then.... next....
10 10 11 13
11 12 13 13
10 12 12 14
How's going so far? Can I do next step?
Tomo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
" Review C triads over 123 set strings. And apply to C F, Bb, Eb..."
1) C triads over 123 set strings. Feel the top notes: 3rd, Rt, 5th again....
Think about shape first is ok. then degrees.... Don't look at your fingers too much.
0 3 8 12
1 5 8 13
0 5 9 12
Are you ready to go next? OK.
2) Apply your C major triads to key in F. Do this very slow please.
If you hurry to work on this, then you are trying to memorize.... no no.....
you need to apply this naturally.What is the top notes. Don't count, follow the color of sound.
From the bottom note... 5th, Rt , 3rd.
Yes, good question! Fingerings. There are 3 voicings.
From bottom to top.
a) E shape. 1 & 2 fingers
b) D shape 1, 2 & 3 fingers.
c) A shape 3,4 & 1 fingers.
1 5 8
1 6 10
2 5 10
3) Bb triads: Starting different fingering.... do you understand it?
A shape(5th), E shape(Rt), and D shape(3rd)......
Most of us thought bar chords are cooler than camp fire open chords?
Real world more simple is better (in my world)
1 6 10
3 6 11
3 7 10
4) Eb triads..... These are really useful when you jam with SRV!
3 6 11
4 8 11
3 8 12
OK. Review more here...
a) Triangle shape: D form. Top mote is 3rd. From bottom.. 5th Rt 3rd
b) If you use 1, 3, 4 fingers......This is "A form" top note is 5th. Yes.
c) Famous E shape!!! You can play just this shape ... slide side by side.
You can play slide guitar! Top note is Rt. Yes.
How was that? Now it's ready to apply your triad into tunes.
Tomo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I should go over how to apply triads over jazz standard changes... but let me do some
rock, blues tunes, ok?
"Little Wing"
Basic changes are... (as simple as triads)
E- G A- E- B- (Bb-) A- C G F C D........
Play like this(very simple) ... 123 set strings.
0 3 0 0 2 (1) 0 0 3 1 0 2 (1st E string)
0 3 1 0 3 (2) 1 1 3 1 1 3 (2nd B string)
0 4 2 0 4 (3) 2 0 4 2 0 2 (3rd G string)
or.... side way... 3 positions on each triad... just in case.
037 3710 058 037 2710(169) 058 038 3710 158 038 2510
058 3812 1510 058 3712(2611) 1510 158 3812 1610 158 3710
049 4712 259 049 4711(3610) 259 059 4712 2510 059 2711
a) From bottom to up.... each chord, 3 triads.
b) Up to bottom...
c) any directions, any combinations.
d) Play music, mix ideas.... but please make sure that you can play
these triads over each chord effortlessly, naturally without thinking
too much shapes or visual aspect....
I would like to stick around good fundamental for advance playing.
Please spend your triads with "Little Wing" This may change your playing?
Hopefully you can add something to your own playing.
I have next ideas follow this tune.
PS, Guys, thanks for your time and writing.
Tomo
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