Discussion in 'Digital & Modeling Gear' started by tjontheroad, Jul 13, 2017.
That could be, not 100% sure about that, but ime it seems for 99% bypassed We could ask UAD?
Thanks, was so close to pulling the trigger but was worried about high gain. Think I will hold off for now.
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Thanks for that! Its not much attenuation anymore at setting 5, but maybe it still cuts around -3dB? When attaching the Suhr RL you hear the difference as its taking over the rest of the load.
At this moment i'm testing the OX as a DI out and using IR software. With this setting it doesn't bypass the complete OX modeling software section so you can still add panning, EQ, compression, delay and reverb etc which sounds very good imo! Only when using lets say the Ownhammer Mesa Boogie Rectifier 2x12 cab IR with V30 speakers i switch over to the Suhr RL as a load, although it also works fine with some EQ when using the OX load. There is no right or wrong way of using the OX software or IR but for high gain i would still prefer IR
True, but I don't need two RLs. That said, it is still possible the OX's load and cab sims sound better than the SRL with Two Notes cabs sims, even for Marshall sounds. The OX load is still going to be leagues better than a resistive load (or, should be).
Ultimately, I don't care if it replicates anything perfectly, just that it sounds and feels good. Most clips I've heard from the OX sound pretty good. I can't speak for the feel.
It'd be cool to hear a Marshall type amp with the OX and one of its 412 compared to the SRL and a similar Two Notes cab. Less ideal would be to hear the OX with DI into whatever cab sim and SRL into the same cab sim. OR, both.
You up for the challenge?
We must see a reactive load as a particular speaker/cab model. All have their own feel, and amp response, but 'better' is a word i rather don't use when talking about this stuff And yes the replicating thing is something abstract if you think about it, the OX sounds and feels great imo but so does IR with a good load box and audio interface.
Today i did some testing with the OX as a DI out and using IR and it sounded still good although the OX has the extra room mic and speaker drive which gives it a bit more 'feel and realism'. Comparing these devices is fun but in the end the feel and how you can relate to it with your guitar, amp and x-device with load can't be described in words or a YouTube video! You should go to a store or buy the damn thing and test it with your own gear, at least thats what i do
If I were you I’d try the Celestion longer IRs and MixIR2 to give the longer IRs a full chance in any comparison.
My problem with the previous nice studio comparison of everything is this wasn’t used and the SRL was low in the mix and V30 was used for some and G12m used for others.
I also noticed the difference with using the Suhr reactive load after the Ox on the loudest Ox speaker setting. Being portable is important which for me that I cut some highs with the Ox load and ended up with something that sounds good with the Ox. At home I can put the SRL after it through.
Note that the difference between the Ox load and my 4x12 with v types has similar results.
Could probably use Logic Match eq to get them very similar and save a similar eq as a preset in Ox. I may try that.
$1300. About the cost of an average good, not great, guitar. Most here have at least 3 ifnot 4 good guitars. And atleast 1 of these guitars probably sits most of the time in its case. I bet you would use the OX more than that 4th guitar. So it seems like worrying about the price or the overlap from other gear are just artificial barriers. Some one spoke of the cost of mics. Most recording dudes have a locker full of $600- $900 and even $1500 mics . Some are the last to come out and rarely get used. My point ? If you want a piece and can afford it and it will make your life better , all the hand wringing about price really seems silly.
Point 2. If you really think this isnt better than IRs you will never really know until you actually use the OX. A youtube clip doesnt get it. A youtube clip of someone eating sushi doesnt tell you if you will like it . BTW i liked cooked food. But i found that out by trying sushi not watching a video.
It's not the cost of the unit that I have concerns with. It's how extremely limiting it is, in terms of the cabinets offered, and UA's noncommittal stance on adding more.
And there are plenty of great guitars for $1300.
I'm waiting on one to show up in my area to check out. Until then, I have to resort to the internet for reference. Folly, for sure.
I vaguely remember getting the MixIR2 for the purpose of using the longer Celestions because Two Notes truncates whatever you are using. It gets all jumbled up with all the crap I've tried. I'll try it again, but my gut is telling me I've been there and done that.
That said, part of what I'm wanting to do is get away from my DAW doing the work for cab sims. I feel it's just an extra layer of disconnect. I've not tried a dedicated cab sim into the DAW to free it up, so I can't say it feels any better or not.
The $150 mooer Radar just upgraded their IR support to 1024 IRs. Maybe thats the ticket for those looking to keep using IRs. I got almost all the celestion ones and ill never even hear most now that i got the OX.
You know what a game changer will be!? The OX with a reactive load and cabinets of your choice! But hey, we must be happy with al the choices and awesome guitar gear that's available at this moment. The OX is limited, but on the other hand it offers some features other devices don't have so in the end its a compromise. I hope UAD will come up with some nice future updates but if not i'm not gonna cry over it, i bought it, and like it as it is, and thats it. Now make some great music like Sam the Man and others do and enjoy your gear
I wouldn't really call it limited.
That's a matter of perspective. When the cab you rely upon on a daily basis isn't even close to being represented by this device, and there are no plans to add anything like it, it's very limiting.
This test is very helpful! Could you do a test on the dynamic speaker modeling vs IRs? For example, you could use the Suhr Reactive Load with the OX’s greenback speaker vs Ownhammer greenback speaker with the same mic combination.
To each his own, but for less than $1300 you can get an AX8 (or used AXfx2) that will do 100 times what the OX can do. I suppose the premise is that a real amp to OX will sound better than AX8, but I highly doubt that anyone would be able to tell in a recording or through a PA.
It's not about what the audience hears anymore. It's about how it feels to play it, and how easy it is to get the sound in your head to the mixer.