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Unpotted pickups (Bare Knuckle) for easier feedback?

Markdude

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The only thing I really dislike about direct recording is that it's harder to get feedback when you want it. I'm a big fan of sustained chords occasionally fading into musical feedback. It just makes the vibe of the song more exciting. I play high gain occasionally (maybe 25% of the time), and even doing that, I haven't been able to get feedback unless I crank the monitors and put the guitar right up next to them, and I really would actually like to get more "accidental" (but still pleasant) feedback.

I'm wondering if maybe using high quality unpotted pickups might increase the chances of musical feedback in a low volume direct recording environment (i.e. monitoring just through studio monitors, no real cabinet). Anybody ever tried this? Since unpotted pickups are said to interact with speakers more, perhaps they pick up vibrations more easily and might be more prone to feed back musically? Or do they only contribute to undesirable microphonic feedback?

I know it would make the guitar less versatile, but this guitar would be used for just direct recording 95% of the time. I'd probably buy something cheaper for gigging, I just want this to be my number one recording axe and am pondering whether some unpotted BKPs might make it more lively and versatile in this kind of environment. Any experiences, predictions, thoughts?
 

Gary_

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I've got unpotted Bulldogs on my Godin.

It's made it unusable for live but as I didn't want it for like that's no problem....

It does make it feed back a bit easier but if you want really easy feedback for certain things at home..... get an Epiphone Casino. I bought one at Christmas (the Inspired By John Lennon Model) and it's fabulous. It feeds back in a musically pleasing way and TBH does what I want more than the unpotted pickups in this regard.
 

Noise Under The Floor

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The only thing I really dislike about direct recording is that it's harder to get feedback when you want it. I'm a big fan of sustained chords occasionally fading into musical feedback. It just makes the vibe of the song more exciting. I play high gain occasionally (maybe 25% of the time), and even doing that, I haven't been able to get feedback unless I crank the monitors and put the guitar right up next to them, and I really would actually like to get more "accidental" (but still pleasant) feedback.

I'm wondering if maybe using high quality unpotted pickups might increase the chances of musical feedback in a low volume direct recording environment (i.e. monitoring just through studio monitors, no real cabinet). Anybody ever tried this? Since unpotted pickups are said to interact with speakers more, perhaps they pick up vibrations more easily and might be more prone to feed back musically? Or do they only contribute to undesirable microphonic feedback?

I know it would make the guitar less versatile, but this guitar would be used for just direct recording 95% of the time. I'd probably buy something cheaper for gigging, I just want this to be my number one recording axe and am pondering whether some unpotted BKPs might make it more lively and versatile in this kind of environment. Any experiences, predictions, thoughts?
Its been my experience that they're prone to microphonic squealing, not the feedback you're looking for.
 
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No, the feedback you're looking for is created when the string is set in motion by the speaker, not when the pickup windings are set in motion. Microphonic pickups are nothing but a pain in the butt if you increase the gain/volume.

You should look at one of the newish Boss pedals that's made for generating feedback. It's a nice, useful mid boost and when you keep the pedal pressed you will get sweet feedback even at really low volumes. Not with headphones though. I have one and like it a lot.
 

GLDP

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This pickup will give you the "Musical" harmonic feedback you are looking for at any volume. Even direct with no amp.

http://www.sustainiac.com/

I have it in one of my Jackson's and it works incredibly well. Joe Satriani uses these as well. Fernandez also makes one of these but I hear they are a bit harder to retrofit.
 

Markdude

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Hmm, sounds like it may be better to just go potted and save myself the trouble. And just crank the monitors up and deal with it when I want feedback. :p
 

Markdude

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This pickup will give you the "Musical" harmonic feedback you are looking for at any volume. Even direct with no amp.

http://www.sustainiac.com/

I have it in one of my Jackson's and it works incredibly well. Joe Satriani uses these as well. Fernandez also makes one of these but I hear they are a bit harder to retrofit.
Yeah, I've used one of those before in a shop. It was pretty cool. I have an E-bow though, so for the purposes of feedback, I could (and have) just record carefully arranged overdubs to simulate feedback. But I'm not after a "make every note feed back endlessly" kind of thing, or really even a "purposely make one section of a song feed back" thing. I just really dig when feedback happens as an accident on a certain chord or something, and you end up keeping it.

If I envision a particular part of a recording being enhanced by feedback, I can use the E-bow overdubs to get me there. I'm just after the possibility of random happy accidents, as I find they're usually more inspiring.
 

stratotone

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One thing that may help is to add more mids to your guitar tone also, you can always EQ them out post recording but more mids helps feedback. I don't have to do that though and I can get feedback at just over conversation volumes with my Kemper and KRK monitors that are about 3 feet away from me. Also consider adding compression, that will help get feedback without having to add much gain also.
 






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