Using an equalizer right after the amp block is cheating?

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  1. phil_m

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    I had a friend who was primarily a jazz guitarist tell me that playing a Strat was cheating... Guitarists are silly people.
     
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    Nope it’s not cheating, it’s using the tools available to you.

    Back when amps came out the old timers hated them.

    When I was a young’un the old guys used to bust our chops for having long hair. Now I’m old and hate “man-bun” which I refer to as douche-knot.

    Same thing, it’s new and out of the box and some will say it’s cheating. Whatever, do what works for you. But I won’t say digital is douchey as I’m 100% in.
     
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    Cheating? Is this a joke post? You can't possibly be serious.
     
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    When amps came out old timers hated them? What are you even talking about?
     
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    Between amp and speakers in the real world (real amps) would just mean matching the impedance and having components that could handle the power going through them at the lowest frequencies. Not an impossibility, at least as I remember my electronics courses from 50 years ago...
     
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  11. EL84 Abuser

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    Studio EQ was full time in slot X on the Kemper.
     
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    You’ve got to do anything you can, to get the best sounds possible - always has been that way - you can call it cheating, whatever, doesn’t matter. Now we have more tools to do that!
     
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    This one's from the back of the rack. Nice! I haven't seen Logan's run since I was a kid.

    To the topic at hand: Cheating would be finding someone whose playing gets the sound you're looking for, having that person play in your stead, and taking credit for it (or, live version - having that person play your parts off-stage while you pretend to play on-stage). If you're playing then you're not cheating - no matter what you put in your signal chain or how you get it to work.

    Digital signal processors make it possible to do things in ways not easily accomplished with analog gear, sometimes making possible that which is impossible in the analog world. This is a good thing!

    Use the tools you have to get the sounds you want.
     
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  14. lemond

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    I use Helix Native as well, and I use 2 EQ blocks per preset just to fine tune some transients the way I want it. Using the HX Stomp live, I tend to be more conservative because of the block limit though, and might not even add an EQ block. Whatever gets the sound you hear in your head.
     
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    I used a 10 band mxr in the loop of my Marshall as a solo midrange boost. I actually ran it as a Rhythm cut mid cut and I turned it off solos. So many cables and stuff plug it. Virtual eq blocks only cheat back/brain strain.
     
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    I´d wish.
     
  17. intrinsic153

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    As a high-gain dude, I've been finding myself putting the EQ BEFORE the amp more and more these days. Having an EQ before it hits the amp can make drastic difference with gain structure and eliminate a lot of nasty problems that got magnified by the amp.

    I found that, with the right EQ moves in front of the amp, I can do even less EQing after the amp. My after-amp EQs these days often only consist tight notch on the high/high mid and low/high pass, largely due to the sometimes more drastic EQ moves before the amp to help the tone 'sit right' from the get-go.
     
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    in my limited experience, I've come to the conclusion that the tone you're chasing in isolation has no relationship to the tone which will work in a mix.

    it reminds me of the famous Ben Hogan quote that recreational golf and tournament golf are about as similar as tennis and ice hockey. in other words, entirely different.

    when you are trying to get a guitar track to sit properly in a mix, there are absolutely no rules. if you need to run it through your toaster oven to get it to work, that's what you ought to do.
     
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    So for those with knowledge: If my guitar signal gets converted to ones and zeros as soon as it goes into the modeler, whatever I do (amps, Eq blocks Cabs etc etc) is really just rearranging 1s and 0s?

    Does that mean I should stop worrying about the visual representations? I see a little VOXlike amp icon and I treat it as a real VOX amp. Is it really just something like this?: 10101010011101010101001 and then the Marshall amp in my modeler does this?: 1010010100010101001101010101 then the EQ block changes it to 1010010100010101001102010101. And the global Eq to 1010010100010101001101010102?
     
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  20. EL84 Abuser

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    That's the 1st grade explanation. :D
    Here's the 10th grade version:
    You play a note and the signal goes here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog-to-digital_converter
    Then it goes through about a gazillion of these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_gate
    Then it goes here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital-to-analog_converter
    Then it gets amplified and sent to your speaker(s).
    I got kicked out in the 10th grade so I can't go into any more detail.:(
     
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