V30's... Do All of Them Have Cone Cry?

TaronKeim

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Just curious if ALL V30's have cone cry, or if it is specific to only a certain number of them?

And is it jus the new V30's or have they ALL had cone cry since production of them started?

Is there anyway to get V30's WITHOUT cone cry?

Thanks:D

-TJK

P.S As you can see... I'm curious about V30's, haha.
 

HeeHaw

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I had Vin 30's that sounded a whole helluva lot better than my current Eminence Wizards.:(
 

shallbe

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I have an older British made V30 that has no cone cry. I played a newer one in an Orange combo that had no cone cry.
 

ericb

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I have about 7 V30's currently in different cabs and NONE have cone cry.. Don't think I've ever had 1 that did. Don't believe what you read all the time on the internet

ERIC:eek:
 

TaronKeim

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Originally posted by ericb
I have about 7 V30's currently in different cabs and NONE have cone cry.. Don't think I've ever had 1 that did. Don't believe what you read all the time on the internet

ERIC:eek:
I wasn't... I just tried two Rivera 4x12 at high volumes with a Knucklehead II and BOTH cabs had cone-cry... hence my asking.

-TJK
 

fjs1962

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Originally posted by TaronKeim
I wasn't... I just tried two Rivera 4x12 at high volumes with a Knucklehead II and BOTH cabs had cone-cry... hence my asking.

-TJK
Were they front-loaded in the cab? I've always heard they can have a noticable cone cry when front-loaded. I've never had a V30 with cone cry but mine have all been in rear-loaded cabs.
 

Moods

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I have yet to hear a V30 (British or Chinese) that didn't have cone cry when pushed real hard. I heard V30's with cone cry before the internet even existed for me. Don't believe what you read on the interenet... saying they don't cry IMO.

Stick a V30 in an openback cab with 30+ watts and it will cry in most cases. It's much different with a closed back and a quad... which I have heard squeal a touch too. I'm betting there are some V30's that don't cry but every single one I have and have had cries like a baby when push real hard. Some are definitely better/worse than others.

As always, YMMV.

<M
 

Greggy

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I decreased the cone cry of my 2 V30s by installing them in my homemade closed back 2x12 pine cab. They still cry, but not as frequently.
 

ericb

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Originally posted by TaronKeim
I wasn't... I just tried two Rivera 4x12 at high volumes with a Knucklehead II and BOTH cabs had cone-cry... hence my asking.

-TJK
Okey dokey! Just a word of caution. I never heard of any V30's having any problem til I tuned in to the internet in the early 90's. In fact, almost any one I knew loved them! Anyway, we all play very differently and 1 person's loud is another's low, and 1 person's hard rock is another's pop cheese, and 1 person's cone cry is another's edge yowl or ghost note via the internet. I find it much easier getting personal type questions answered by using the gear. NO facetiousness intended.. ANyway, you'll find cone cry in certain speakers and not in the one next to it. Almost all Celestions won't have it. Some I guess weren't spec'd up the way they should've been . There's 1 brand I had about 60% conecry with .. Celestions I've had about 1% . We all have had different experiences though as will be evidenced if this thread goes a ways.. I've found V30's FORTE to be with hi-gain music or cabs that feature deep-bass. The V30 by itself doesn't have a huge-amount of bass, but others say it's bassy! Some say it has this icepick shrill hi-mid speaker. Well almost all of a rock guitar's tone is mids and hi-mids and that spike to someone is good tone and to someone else it hurts their ears!! Anyway, sounds like you experienced it for yourself. If you tried different amps thru those cabs, and you still heard it , then you've narrowed it down to the cabs and/or the V30's.... Next step is replace the speakers .. IF it still happens with those amp , it's likely it's the cabs. If not , it was likely it was the mounting of the V30's (i.e. too tight possibly) or the actual V30's... Then try them in another cab (1x12, 2x12) etc. Do they still do it? Then definintely the speakers.. If not, you 've now learned it's an interaction of the cab and the speaker and amp... YOu can take this experiment wayyyyy too far, but really it's the only way of getting a definitive answer that it's those speakers.. I 've done it all too many times, and luckily don't have time to do it any more! Good luck! ERIC
 

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Originally posted by ericb
Okey dokey! Just a word of caution. I never heard of any V30's having any problem til I tuned in to the internet in the early 90's. In fact, almost any one I knew loved them! Anyway, we all play very differently and 1 person's loud is another's low, and 1 person's hard rock is another's pop cheese, and 1 person's cone cry is another's edge yowl or ghost note via the internet. I find it much easier getting personal type questions answered by using the gear. NO facetiousness intended.. ANyway, you'll find cone cry in certain speakers and not in the one next to it. Almost all Celestions won't have it. Some I guess weren't spec'd up the way they should've been . There's 1 brand I had about 60% conecry with .. Celestions I've had about 1% . We all have had different experiences though as will be evidenced if this thread goes a ways.. I've found V30's FORTE to be with hi-gain music or cabs that feature deep-bass. The V30 by itself doesn't have a huge-amount of bass, but others say it's bassy! Some say it has this icepick shrill hi-mid speaker. Well almost all of a rock guitar's tone is mids and hi-mids and that spike to someone is good tone and to someone else it hurts their ears!! Anyway, sounds like you experienced it for yourself. If you tried different amps thru those cabs, and you still heard it , then you've narrowed it down to the cabs and/or the V30's.... Next step is replace the speakers .. IF it still happens with those amp , it's likely it's the cabs. If not , it was likely it was the mounting of the V30's (i.e. too tight possibly) or the actual V30's... Then try them in another cab (1x12, 2x12) etc. Do they still do it? Then definintely the speakers.. If not, you 've now learned it's an interaction of the cab and the speaker and amp... YOu can take this experiment wayyyyy too far, but really it's the only way of getting a definitive answer that it's those speakers.. I 've done it all too many times, and luckily don't have time to do it any more! Good luck! ERIC
Yeah good post with great advice

I've never heard cone cry with any of my v30s.
I also find them to be the smoothest sounding celestion.
V30 definitely rounds the top-end
I also find it to be a tight but not a bassy speaker.
Another thing is I don't hear the ice-pick with just v30s.........any speaker is capable of producing ice-pick stuff if dialed in so.

This is why we need to find out the facts for ourselves first hand and then read afterwards......... how different everyone else's results are......because thier results don't mean **** when you have your own set of facts sitting right in front of you.

Therefore when someone says lots of v30s have cone cry when front loaded..........go see for yourself.....he he he.......because most advice on an internet forum must be taken with a pinch of cyber salt........unless of course you know the person you're relating too and trust his/her judgment.........which is not a common occurance...:)
Anyway I just needed to say something before my sleeping pill kicks in.....yeah:dude

Nighty Night
Rick
 

rockster12

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I replace the stock speaker in my Carr Slant 6 that had really bad cone cry. At bedroom vol. it was fine, but at gig levels the amp was useless. I was ready to try new amp because at the time, I didn't know what cone cry was. I put a V30 in and problem solved. The V30 sounds great and I gig with it every week.
 

Tone_Terrific

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2 v30's (old ones) both front mounted, one open back, one front ported, both have cone cry at higher volume, clean or distorted, any amp. A following subharmonic responding to high single notes in this case. Otherwise, I find v30's to be well-balanced, tonally.

What if everybody listened to the same rig; how many different opinions could we generate?
 

Baba

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Ahhh, ignorance is bliss. I currently run two V30's and two G12H30's front mounted, in an Avatar cab. I don't remember hearing anything funny at all with tube stuff, solid state stuff, modeling stuff, nothing.

I also have a Mesa 2x12 cab, rear-mounted V30's for comparison.

Maybe I just don't know what it is, or don't want to hear it, or whatever, but that's good, that's one less thing I need to worry about.
 

Tone

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What exactly is cone cry? I kinda don't want to know because I'll get really picky about my V30's I just. But then again, I kinda do. :)
 

Ricker

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Originally posted by Tone
What exactly is cone cry? I kinda don't want to know because I'll get really picky about my V30's I just. But then again, I kinda do. :)
No.......you'll get ice-picky:D
Cheers
R
 

Mr.Hanky

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There is a really good MP3 on the les paul forum that demonstrates cone cry.

The ONLY time I experienced bad, intollerable cone cry was with 2 Webers, both of them were bad. Especially with a les paul neck pup, horrible!
 




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