Van Halen III?

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  1. NewWorldMan

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    I recently dusted off all of the "Van Hagar" albums and had forgotten how much I enjoyed them. I hadn't listened to any of them in years. Going down that rabbit hole led to break out the widely panned Van Halen III album as well.

    To my surprise, I enjoyed the album much better than I remembered it from the late 90s. That being said, I tried to do some Google searches for interviews with Ed regarding the recording of the album, but I had trouble finding anything on it.

    Does anyone know what was used on the album - 5150 II and cab, the old Marshall, etc?
     
  2. Rick Lee

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    There are some good tunes and tones on that album. My fav is One I Want. I still play it about once a week when I'm noodling. Fire in the Hole is awesome. I thought everything on that album was Peavey, but can't recall reading an interview about its making.
     
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    Agreed! I couldn't find hardly any interviews about the recording of the album. I did find one with Ed, but there wasn't any discussion of gear.
     
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    Dirty Water Dog! Another catchy tune. I was a huge VH fan. All the albums were in regular rotation. Then things got weird. Even more so when I first heard VHIII. Alas, there is some great guitar work on it.

    It is hard to say what amps were used on that VHIII. It was all mixed so dark sounding.

    I too recently started re-listening to my fave VH songs from back in the day. Feelings got stirred up of when I used to spend 4-5 hours per evening after school trying to learn all of Eddie’s songs. Those were great innocent times. No job. No wife. No kids. Just my guitar.

    This led me to call up an old friend this week. I used to gig with him 15 years ago. He bought a new USA Wolfgang in ‘04. It has been sitting in a closet for several years. He brought it over. We had a beer. Now I own it.

    I have not accomplished a damn thing since I brought that Peavey into my house. Well maybe one thing. I’m woodshedding VH songs like mad. Lovin’ in!
     
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    As I said in a couple of other threads, I think the variance in tone on different albums may be due to the use of different cabinets, speakers, miking, and EQ.
     
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    i'm hearing a heavily modified am radio w/ like 5 AAs instead of a 9 volt ~re-amped of course
     
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    Thanks for sharing! I have similar nostalgic feelings about a lot of albums when it was just a younger me and my guitar without the adult responsibilities (wife, kids, jobs, etc). Definitely an innocent era with a lot of fond memories.
     
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    I think he would have been using his 5150's exclusively at the time. Maybe that would just be on tour though. Tough to say what he recorded with without actually being there.
     
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    Back in like 2000, 2001, I was working as a salesman. Knew I had a bonus coming, knew I was buying a new guitar with it, had months to decide what. I was set on a G&L ASAT Deluxe. Then i played a Wolfgang. And wound up ordering one brand new. Cherryburst, flame maple top, hardtail. It had the best feeling and playing neck! To this day I scotchbrite all the laquer off the backs of maple necks. Kept that guitar 5 years or so. It's a high output rock machine for sure., but when strapped on, it always felt small to me.



     
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    I love that album. Cherone is no worse than Hagar, I just tried to ignore him.
    There are some amazing songs on it. I like “Without You” the best. He throws in a cool lick Clapton used on “Born Under a Bad Sign” and the main solo is really nice as well. “Dirty Water Dog”, “One I Want” which is reminscent of The Who, and “Fire in the Hole” are great guitar tracks. I love the piano on “How Many Say I” too. It’s a very experimental, left-field album. Eddie probably felt quite despondent that so many fans rejected it.

    The live shows were good too. There is a DVD of them performing in Australia and there is some other concert footage on YouTube. Eddie was on great technical form for that album and tour.
     
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    Yep. That coupled with Cherone’s willingness to play Dave era stuff. At that point we hadn’t heard Ed play a lot of those songs in years.
     
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    I loved that tour! I saw two shows, right down up front. Those guys killed!
     
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    VHIII's guitars sounded huge back in the day. Now they sound tiny. Not really sure what changed over the years (probably me). But I think the more gain and detuning Eddie implemented, the tinier his sound got. At some points, it sounds like he's playing a Strat with super-low output single coils that go, "ting ting ting!"

    Fire in the Hole did sound big, if not a little dated in tone and melody.
     
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    Wasn’t the 5150 II released around this time? I was neck deep in all things Van Halen during this period. Had 3 Peavey Wolfgang’s and a 5150 Combo. I immediately tried out the 5150 II when it hit my local dealer and was really disappointed with it. Thought it sounded thin and nasally compared to the 5150. VHIII mix was so murky.

    Anyway, if you listen to VH III with an open mind and without expectations there’s some good stuff in there. I think Ed was looking to move in a different direction and was majorly hurt when fans didn’t get it. I noticed him getting rather surly in interviews after that and then dig himself into a dark hole.
     
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    I like some of the ideas on the record, and I’m not trying to be a snob, but I think if it had better production and Gary didn’t sound like he was straining so bad on most of his singing… It really could’ve been much, much better.
     
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    If I remember correctly I think EVH pushed Gary to sound like that thinking it was gonna be like what happened when Hager joined on 5150. I always thought Gary was a decent singer but not on VH III.
     
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    According to Hagar, Cherone told him that everything he sang is what Ed told him to sing......melodies and everything.
     
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    At this point I had already stepped off the VH love train.
     
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    I read a Guitar World interview back in the early 2000 I think. Edward was lamenting the mix of the VHIII album. The interviewer - Vic Garbarini - was saying when he heard an analog reel to reel version of the album before it got mixed to digital and said that it was night and day; like the mix for CD was underwater.
     
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    Yes, the mix, production, engineering; all the technical sonic aspects of the LP sucked. Such a letdown after the 2 Glen Ballard produced DLR reunion tracks on the Best Of collection.
     

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