Verification Please (Firebird VII)

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  1. LoFi

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    Does anyone happen to know if a newer Firebird VII would have a serial number somewhere else, other than the back of the headstock?
    Looking at buying one, but can't see a S# on Headstock.
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  2. samdjr74

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    It should be on the back of the headstock. I've never see any Gibson with a serial number in a different location.

    Do you have any pics to post?
     
  3. vibrasonic

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    On pre 1960 gibson hollow body guitars and acoustic's the serial # was stamped in the body.

    A firebird should have the # stamped on the headstock like all post 61 guitars
     
  4. LoFi

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    Strange, I've never seen that before, got any other pics of the entire guitar?
     
  6. dougk

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    Wonder if it has a headstock repair and refin.
     
  7. Hard2Hear

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    I'm not the be all end all Firebird expert, but I've never seen a Gibson Firebird headstock come to a point like that on the neck. Those lines do not look right to me.
     
  8. LoFi

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    Funny, I thought the same thing.

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  9. Matt Novak

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    Shortened trem arm... could be a cool replica? Easy to put a Gibson transfer on the truss rod cover.
     
  10. Trego

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    in to learn...not sure what the deal is with that one.
     
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    Pull the truss cover- extra screw holes? Same for pickguard. Check to see if finish is lacquer in an inconspicuous place. Some of the Japan made copies are pretty close. Pull the pickups and look at the bottom, look at the wiring harness.
     
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    ^ ^
    This
     
  13. Prerequisite

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    Could be a headstock repair/refin, as dougk said.
     
  14. cmatthes

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    Whoah, copy police!
    It could also be legit.

    I ordered a Frost Blue FBVII in 1992, and the serial number was barely legible - I really needed to try the blacklight trick. I wasn't overly concerned, since I got all the paperwork and actually unpacked it with my dealer, but definitely something I noticed.

    Not sure if that's the case here, but we asked the Gibson rep at the time what the deal was - he said that it was partially due to the thicker opaque finish, but also that Gibson stamped the serial number after the neck was carved/final sanded. He said that the numbers weren't impressed as deeply as on say, a Les Paul, because the neck joint at the nut was still a weak point. Not sure if that was the truth, but that's what I was told many years ago about mine.

    The shortened vibrola arm is more of a concern to me, but that would not be a cheap guitar to fake. Originals of that particular model/vintage sell for $1,400 - $1,800 regularly, and FB tuners aren't easy or inexpensive to find. I'd take a closer look to see if the fret ends go over the binding or if they're capped.
     
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    Sometime the paint fills the stamped number. The lines of it look OK.

    Tony
     
  16. LoFi

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    Thanks, everyone. I do not have access to the guitar in person, and emails to the seller have not been returned. I think I may have to walk away from this one.
     
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    Walk. Do not run.
     
  18. cmatthes

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    Yep - exactly.
     
  19. shakeshakeshake

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    epiphone made one that looks just like that iirc....

    the plastic plate where it says gibson looks crooked too?
     

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