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Vibroverb vs. Super Reverb

Discussion in 'Amps/Cabs Tech Corner: Amplifier, Cab & Speakers' started by Hylophone, Feb 2, 2012.

As a touring amp, which performs better?

Poll closed Dec 31, 1969.
  1. Pre Cbs Fender Super Reverb

    75.0%
  2. Fender 64' Vibroverb Custom

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Fender Super has better cleans

    25.0%
  4. Fender Vibroverb has better cleans

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Fender Super has better break-up & distortion

    25.0%
  6. Fender Vibroverb has better break-up & distortion

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Fender Super has more volume to head-room

    25.0%
  8. Fender Vibroverb has more volume to head-room

    25.0%
  9. Fender Super is more resilient

    25.0%
  10. Fender Vibroverb is more resilient

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. Hylophone

    Hylophone Member

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    Besides the speaker configuration, gain modifications, and the middle control on the Super, what exactly is the difference in design... in layman's terms?
    I've had my eye on a Vibroverb Custom but yesterday a guy in town put up an original 64' Super with period correct Concert transformers and a JBL-D-130 in it. He wants $1700 for it. Do the modifications decrease its value; is $1700 being greedy? ...The middle knob on the Super seems like an understated selling point... thoughts?

    ~As per the poll; I'm talking about an all original 64' Super as opposed to the modified one above. If you can, exclude the collectible nature of these amps and focus on performance.
     
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  2. TweeDLX

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    Most of your questions are pretty subjective. You're comparing a 80-100 watt amp to a 40-50 watt amp. If you like big cleans, go VVerb. If you want earlier breakup, go Super.
     
  3. wyatt

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    Actually they are both 40-50 watt.

    The VVerb in question is the Custom shop model that, according to Fender's literature, has all of Cesar Diaz's SRV mods for more gain.

    I really can't answer the OP's question though, I really don't know how true Fender stayed to the VV circuit and I don't know what else was done to the Super, so it's moot to compare them. If you were comparing a real '64 Super Rev and a real 64 Vibroverb, then they are...for better or worse...98% the same amp. But, yes, the mods do reduce the value of Super Reverb, I haven;'t a clue what a clean one goes for these days, but $1700 seems way high for one with replaced iron, and a 15" speaker where there should be 4x10".
     
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    Oops! My bad!
    I'm still confused, is it a Super, or a Super Reverb?
     
  5. Rumblur

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    If you're going to tour, the fewer parts to fail the better.. so by that logic, the VV over the SR. Hadden Sayers is a heavy international tourer, and he uses he VV.

    If you're a "name" act - take nothing. Have the venue provide you a rented SRRI and be done with it.
     
  6. Hylophone

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    Great thanks for the information.

    Sorry for the confusion, I abbreviated Super Reverb.
     
  7. Hylophone

    Hylophone Member

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    This is great, thanks.
     
  8. SonicBoom

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    Gotta say, $1700 is way high for a modded (hacked) super reverb. The main diff. between it and the VV is the OT/speaker config. I have both - orig. BFs. I like the VV the best, but that is splitting hairs.

    I've seen orig. BFSRs on CL going for $1500-1700. They aren't nearly as rare as a BFVV. That said, the SR is a fantastic amp. The SR has way more clean headroom so you need to consider the venue if you want power tube distortion. Don't buy into the BS about a mid control - it doesn't change the character of the amp that much to make it more valuable.
     
  9. Hylophone

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    I hear ya. I was thinking about approaching this guy about the Super Reverb but I can't see spending more than $1300 on it. It is in pretty good shape from what he says, but the irons have been swapped and the original speakers are history in favor of a jbl-d-130. I'd be using it as a clean amp. I'd buy a twin, or a twin custom 15" but its better for me to have an amp I can carry, hence the Vibroverb or the Super Reverb.
    However, I do get the feeling that the seller is sort of mickey mouse and probably messed with more than he says he did. So, I'll probably pass.
     
  10. ballynally

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    Want to carry? Then Vibroverb. More oomph? Super. also has 4 speakers. Backbreaker, like a Twin. Alternative: Amp head AA763 circuit with super/bassman tranny, then choose your speaker config. If you want killer clean, then Dual Showman head (4 6L6), basically a Twin head. Add 1 15" or 2 12" speakers, according to your preference, still managable
     

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