Victoria Regal tube question,

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  1. Gerald Fry

    Gerald Fry Member

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    Victoria Regal tube question, I bought a used Regal II, it came to me with a pair of EL34's,and that is way more power then I need. I want to run 6V6s in both power tube sockets, my question is, what rectifier should I use to power the 6V6's
     
  2. Terry Hayes

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    I prefer the 5Y3GT when using 6V6. The Regal manual does not say that you must do this. However, I have experienced some red plating with current production 6V6 so I feel better using the 5Y3. I seem to recall other Regal users on this board saying that Mark at Victoria recommends this even though the manual does not mention it.
     
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    agree w/Terry Hayes. I just leave a 5Y3 in the amp and play it. I like to use one 6V6 and one 6L6 - best of both of those worlds.
     
  4. Timbre Wolf

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    I agree.

    I was the one who'd mentioned speaking with Mark about matching the rectifier tube to the output tube(s). So 5Y3GT (or Bendix 6106) with 6V6 types, or perhaps a 5R4GY (not 5AR4) with two of 'em. Generally you want to scale rectifier power to output tube power.

    Have fun with your Regal!!

    - Thom
     
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    :)
    Yes, I figured it was you who had originally brought this up. In fact, I really only posted so that the OP would have something to go on until you were able to show up in this thread and offer some good info:)
     
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  6. Gerald Fry

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    Thank you all who replied, this info will very useful, as I discover this great amplifier's possibilities, I've wanted one for age's and the wife finally allowed me to purchase one, the bad part is that I had to sell my Victoria 5112 to finance my Regal II, and that was AN AMP THAT i TRULY LOVED. No remorse though, as this is a great amp!
     
  7. Terry Hayes

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    It is a great amp for sure with a unique tone and feel. I have 2 other amps (one of which is a Victoria 35310) but the Regal seems to be the amp that has become "my" sound.
     
  8. Gerald Fry

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    The one I purchased is a blond tolex, I would of preferred tweed, but it had the speaker option that I wanted, which is the Weber AlNiCo 15", I have a Weber AlNiCo 12" Chicago, a high power rated speaker, that I want to try out in it, but first I have to build a 15 to 12 adaptor ring first. It's all gonna be fun!:)
     
  9. Terry Hayes

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    Love the blond tolex myself (it goes nicely with my Fulltone TTE:)) and my 35310 is tweed so i already had that one covered!

    But I have heard good things about that amp when run with a 12" speaker.
     
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    I have the speaker, and liked the way it sounded in my 5112, and like to tinker, but my intentions are to roll with the 15"
     
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    I've got one of those original AlNiCo Weber 15" that came with my amp. As I recall, the fine print says "ribbed, for your pleasure" :D I've long since replaced that speaker with my preferred Altec 418B. Would gladly pass the Weber along to a Regal owner who will give it a good home in their amp...
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    That's mine, with previous tube lineup of metal-base GZ34, vintage GEC KT-66, Ken-Rad 6L6G, CBS 12BZ7 (reverb recovery & second gain stage/driver), a couple of Ken-Rad 12AX7 (including V1) and Mullard Tk1 12AT7 ('50s) for the reverb driver.

    - Thom
     
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    That is a very nice amp, great array of tubes, I wish I had that speaker, with the ribbed for your sonic pleasure sticker, I would upload a photo of my new sweetie, but I couldn't figure out how to do that. I just got my Regal, and haven't done anything to it yet, still getting to know it. My plan is to use a Sylvania gold brand, gold pinned 3 mica 5751 in V1, it is a great low noise, articulate tube, but I will wait until I get the power tube I want to roll with before I start on the preamp section, does that make since to you Thom? I have a pretty good collection of NOS USA tube's, I let my Bendix 5992 go with my Vic 5112, I wish I hadn't now, Gerald
     
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    Makes perfect sense to me! Have fun choosing your sounds.

    - Thom
     
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    Love my Regal. I tailor the tubes to the venue. For lower volume work, a pair of 6V6 (I like JJ) with a 5R4 or 5V4 rectifier - nice overdrive at modest volumes and good sag. If that's too mushy and can't cut through the mix, I'll swap in a 5AR4 (GZ34) to stiffen it up a bit. If that's not enough volume/clean, in go a pair of 6L6 tubes or Tung Sol 5881s.

    Can't remember which rectifier I was using here, but always use JJ 6V6 in the Regal at this joint.

     
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    you can just use 1-el34 for less power, if you like that flavor tube.
     
  16. Timbre Wolf

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    I've never experience sag in my Regal, no matter what rectifier I use. In fact, one of the characteristics I appreciate in this amp is its quick attack, due to being single-ended. That fast attack brings out a kind of playing in me that suits certain kinds of music. At least that's been my experience. I'm curious what you're referring to as sag?

    - Thom
     
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    It's one of the features that I rely on the Regal for modest volume roots gigs (vintage country, jazz standards, Chess style blues) where lots of dynamics and natural sounding compression are at a premium. It may be less apparent if you don't gig, but if you drive the amp it's there. And it can be addictive.

    Tube rectifiers display “sag” when hit with a request for a lot of current - when the amp is working hard. Because they can’t do their job (converting raw AC voltage into DC voltage) instantly, and need a millisecond or two to get back up to speed. The result is a type of compression in sound and playing feel. There’s a slight sponginess, some give at the front of the note/chord that softens the attack, and a bloom as the tubes roar back to full voltage. Different tube rectifiers do this to different extents. A 5Y3 (usually found in smaller amps) exhibits the most sag. A GZ34/5AR4 (usually in larger amps with tighter response) sags very little until hit really hard.

    Depending on your choice of rectifier, sag varies when you push your amp -- affecting attack, compression, dynamics, and touch-sensitivity. A solid state rectifier gives very fast rise time and response as the voltages are produced quickly. A tube rectifier yields more to the player's touch dynamics, sounds warmer, and gives compression and sustain in a different way. I love it like that.
     
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    I'm well acquainted with sag, and know how tube rectifiers help it along - in push-pull power configurations. The Regal is a class-A dual single-ended amp, however, which explains why I've not experienced sag in it like I have in my tweed Bandmaster, for example. There's more leading to sag than just tube rectification vs. SS.

    - T
     
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    I want to thank everyone who joined in to help answer my questions, who needs an owners manual when there is a place like this with all these knowledgeable people, thanks a bunch you guys, I appreciate all the input, it was overwhelming how helpful you all are! Gerald
     
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    To follow up on my rectifier tube question for my Victoria Regal II Amplifier, cause I know your all curious what did he do,LOL, I went with a Sylvania Gold Brand vintage 5Y3GTA, it powers 2 Raytheon 6V6GT's and works just fine, it seems to provide plenty of power for 2 power tubes, it is typically used to power one 6V6, so I wasn't sure about running 2 of em, but so far no problems, and it sounds great! I have a shoe box that waas full of vintage tubes, so I replaced all the Russian tubes with vintage USA made tubes, and talk about a sonic improvement, man it is night and day the difference that the retube made, it had a very sterile sound when I got it with the 5U4 rectifier and EL34's, by Electro-Harmonix (made in Russia) and all the preamp tubes were JJ's 12AX7's with the exception of the 12AT7 in V2, which was a JAN Phillips (made in USA), and it stayed, really no reason to change it. so at this point with the amp, I am all good for awhile, I'm pickin and grinnin ;), and again I want to thank all of you who helped by answering my questions. G.
     
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