Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs' started by samhill, Sep 21, 2008.
Me trying to cop a Lynch like feel.
man that sounds killer!...great tone!
Sounds great! Any pedals or other gear involved? How are you getting that tone at such low levels?
I am using a G-Major set with Pitch Detune +12 -12, Dual delay about 465ms and 480ms through a Suhr Minimix in my Od100's fx loop. I use a Zakk O/D on this patch with settings at 11:00, doesn't add much gain but cuts the bottom end a tad.
This amp sounds great at low volumes and even better at stage volumes. What really helps the low volume is the Whomp switch and the return level on the back of the amp.
I have one of these arriving today. In large part because of all the awesome clips you've posted.
I had a Standard that I didn't bond well with (at least the OD). I've played it before, a few years ago, and based on the clips, I think I will really enjoy this amp.
If you need any help dialing in let me know, I'll be glad to help out.
John Suhr is a phone call away as well...great customer service.
Well I got mine yesterday.
Granted, I haven't had alot of high volume time with it, but one thing that struck me is that the gain seemed much lower than the SE+ I played before. The last one had enough gain for me at 10:00, this one I'm having to turn up much higher. It's gain seems more in line with the Standard I once had??
Also, the SE+ I tried had a much more 'liquid' gain feel to it, this one is much less compressed, more open sounding.
Seems like the Feedback control impacts the compression ....
I'm kinda afraid that this beast won't blossom until blistering levels, I'm hoping that's not true ....
It should sound really nice at low volumes. The rear Feedback control definitely affects "openess". Try this:
If you don't already have something in the FX loop, run a straight cable from send to return and engage the loop switch on rear. Try these settings:
Feedback=0, Whomp=Full, Return level is now your Master volume for both CH1, Ch2.
Ch2-ON, CH2 Boost-ON
Bass=5-8 depending on overall volume
Presence=8-10 (big range between 7 and 10 at these settings for your "edge")
Volume= a little above 4.....this is nominal for the amp and makes it sound much better.
Remember the Return level on the back is now your MASTER VOLUME.
The amp loves V30's, it also works great with drive pedals in the front of the amp, but you should get a great silky lead tone without drive pedals.
I use active pickups so I am driving the front of the amp pretty hard already....I hate the flubbiness of passives.
Just so we're comparing apples and apples, does yours have Plexi trannies and EL34s?
Thanks for the settings, I'll try them out!
Sounds great Samhill - hip playing too!
Thanks, Dana O.
Mine was built last summer(07) it is the PLUS model with Plexi Tranny and EL34's. The only difference between mine and yours should be the little FX loop switch in the back that I don't have.
Let me know if I can help further. Don't be afraid to call John Suhr if you feel there is an issue as he is the customer service guru
hey Mark- can you elaborate a bit more on how you think the tone changes using the return level on the back of the amp as the master, and then running the channel volumes above 4? Does it sound quite different than using the channel volumes lower and not using the loop return as the master?
I guess my thought process is that 4 on the channel volume reads nominal on my rack FX and I want to keep that nominal level and use the return level as the master also I think this would mean a hotter level to the power section?????. I use my rig everyday for lessons so I keep a fairly low level and with my ch level at 4 it seems to really work and keep a nice big sound without being really loud. On the same token when I gig on weekends my sound stays consistent no matter what "loudness" level I'm at. The only thing I have to adjust is I turn the bass down as I get louder.
In clubs I tend to run the return level between 4 and 5 which is pretty loud.
I'm not sure what you would run your levels at on bigger stages?
Someone once mentioned this was a good way to keep the balls consistently...it may have been John, but my memory fails me...so maybe he could confirm this.
I tried an OD100se+ in a store not long ago and started messing without having a cable between send and return then tried it with a cable and setting the vol at 4 and used the return level as master and I thought it sounded fully...mind you this was not at stage volume.
This is just my opinion I am certainly no expert
BTW, I absolutely love your work!!!
Here's John's answer...I just emailed him the question,
"Yes that works because if you run the level too low it can change your
tone a bit.
It is more efficient to run the levels no less than 3, if you need to
cut more volume then activate the effects loop or for an earlier amp
use a patch cord to activate the loop and turn down the return level.
This return level will now reduce the volume of the power amp and is
completely buffered from the rest of the EQ section. It also adds
another tube in line which adds some harmonics that can be pleasing.
It is an easy thing to try ! In this case you can thing of the Levels
on the front as the preamp level and the Return on the back as the
power amp level."
I humbly submit that that kicked ass! Love that guitar.
i doublee humbly agree.
Those tips helped alot Mark (and Mr Suhr!). Still seems like this amp has less gain than the SE+ I tried long ago, but it's got enough for me.
4+ on the ch2 level is very key ...
Very articulate for that much gain....
SOunds great, nice vibrato as well