Video: Vintage Deluxe Memory Man vs. Current DMM

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  1. themusicboxstudios

    themusicboxstudios Member

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    Both sound excellent. :munch

    I think I want to get a current production one modded by Howard Davis and just call it a day.

    Vintage DMM on Left, Current Production model on right.

    The overdrive sounds absolutely terrible on this, because the speaker in my amp sucks and doesn't take overdrive pedals well.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoFTnRCCgNQ
     
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    tapeup Butterscotch Supt. Member Gold Supporting Member

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    Are you saying you don't like the sound of the vintage one in the video as much as the current production model? Or perhaps, that you do, but after modding a current production model, you feel you would like that more? You've had your vintage DMM for a while now haven't you? I'm somewhat confused but would love to hear your feedback, as I have both a vintage SMM and a DMM that were both sent to Howard for improvements, etc. Thanks for posting the video. Cheers! :AOK
     
  3. themusicboxstudios

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    bingo.

    and i don't want to invest in modding a vintage one ... too valuable.
     
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    tapeup Butterscotch Supt. Member Gold Supporting Member

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    Oh okay I got ya, cool. My DMM isn't one of the newest ones with the detachable adaptor, but also isn't vintage like my SMM, and it definitely sounds phenomenal after Howard worked his mojo with it. He even put a status LED on it so you know at a glance if you turned your delay on or off. I'm sure you'll be very pleased with the results, and can then leave your vintage one at home and not have to worry about it.
     
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    I have honestly had better luck with new ones. To me they just sound better and cooperate better. I don't see the point in buying an old one and in fact to me a memory man without true bypass is pointless in a rig. Sure you can add another pedal(looper) but why bother. In the clips I like the new one as well. I would just buy a new one and be done. Be done with it.
     
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    Keen to hear this video, Jon... is anyone else getting "the Video is unavailable" at the tube? Maybe its still being replicated/uploaded...

    A memory man is at the top of my purchase list, has been for a while whilst I have ummed and arred over which issue to pursue (vintage, dual/quad chip, true bypass, etc). Always interested to hear your opinions on it, from one Jon to another. :)
     
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    I am...I'm keen to hear it too :)
     
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    hrmm the vintage seems to be a bit more up front and has a stronger modulation...anyone else hearing this? I think I like the production model better to be honest...not that either sounds bad but just for my tastes...a bit more clarity in the newer one which isn't ba in this case.
     
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    What does the Howard Davis mod do to a new DMM ?
     
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    Try this link....
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoFTnRCCgNQ
     
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    popinvasion Supporting Member

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    the one on the right sounds perfect. perfectly tweaked.
     
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    Both sound great, but I like the vintage a little better. It seems fuller to me.
     
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    popinvasion Supporting Member

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    I hate to point this out but whatever gain pedal you click on doesn' work well with your amp. my opinion anyway.
     
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    look at my original post and in the info on the video :roll
     
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    popinvasion Supporting Member

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    oh right. sorry bout that.
     
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    ******** you're killing me...i want it back...im going to try one more. im not hearing the noise i had with it. is it my Burstbuckers ?
    I play a les paul standard into a jcm 800.
    I love my 2 chip AD-900 into a DLS Chorus~vib...just not the same .
    The DMM is just so damn lush makes me want to cry.
     
  17. themusicboxstudios

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    the noise is there ... but that's just the point ... as soon as you stick a mic in front of it ... it's gone ... and even more so with a band ... so that's when I decided i was just being to corksniffer'ish.

    slingshot ... if you want this one back ... we might be able to work something out ... i'd really like one of the newer ones with the power chord still attached (then send it to howard davis) ... it just works better with my pedalboard situation.

    here are the howard davis mods:

    MEMORY MAN MODS:

    DELAY TIME INCREASE MOD
    The Deluxe Memory Man was designed for a 550 msec. maximum delay. Some
    units, due to component tolerances and other manufacturing problems, do not
    have this long a delay time. A mod can be done that corrects this condition.

    TOTAL BYPASS MOD
    Most Memory Man pedals have an adjustable gain stage (drive level control)
    that introduces complications with total bypassing. This is because with
    total bypass, this variable gain can result in a volume mismatch between the
    dry (bypass) and effect-on signals when the footswitch is thrown. The level
    control can be set so the dry and effect-on volumes are equal, but this
    level setting may not be optimum for signal to noise ratio, which requires
    as high a drive level as possible without causing objectionable distortion -
    unless such distortion is desired. So you CAN have a total bypass mod done
    on such a Memory Man, but you then lose the ability to adjust the drive
    level exactly as you might want it and also keep the balance between bypass
    and effect-on volume levels.

    HOT PICKUP MOD
    The reissue Deluxe Memory Man now comes from the factory with direct bypass,
    but with the input level control stage as it was originally when wired for
    buffered bypass. This is workable with many pickups, but a bypass/effect-on
    level matching problem - effect overdrive distortion at too low a level -
    can occur with hot pickups. This modification corrects this.

    INPUT IMPEDANCE INCREASE MOD
    Where total bypassing is not desired, a mod that increases the input
    impedance of the first stage can be almost as effective as total bypassing
    in eliminating tonal degradation due to pickup loading. If you use other
    pedals or long cables following the Memory Man, increasing the input
    impedance is preferable to total bypassing, as the benefits of buffering by
    the input stage are retained.

    LED EFFECT-ON INDICATOR MOD
    An LED can be added to indicate when the effect mode is activated.
     
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    I swear it must be the city you live in with these MM, as the few I have had and still have, have been nothing but super quiet. You get a little noise from the modulation as it gets cranked but nothing more than any average pedal.
     
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    I do live in a 115 year old house with bad ground problems ???
     
  20. themusicboxstudios

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    it's not noise persay ... they have a very very quiet bypassed/engaged signal ... its just that analog "swooosh" that glues itself to each repeat. not talking about the modulation here either ... the noise only pops up with each repeat.

    i don't mind it ... i honestly think it adds to the lushness and spaceyness to have that extra sound in there.
     

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