Warrior Rick Derringer model

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  1. Aardvark

    Aardvark Silver Supporting Member

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    Anybody ever play one of these? It's the singlecut with two P90's and a strat type single coil in the middle.
     
  2. John Hurtt

    John Hurtt Silver Supporting Member

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    The one I checked out at Namm....two years? ago was a good player. Sounded thick and fat but pretty versatile as well.
     
  3. Aardvark

    Aardvark Silver Supporting Member

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    Interesting. Thanks for the feedback. Anyone else?
     
  4. todd richman

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    I had the chance to meet Rick and check out 2 very high end exotic wood models at one of the Philly area Guitar Shows 2 years ago. Beautiful woods, superb feeling necks and finishes-oil finish I believe and the versatility of 2 P-90's, a Strat middle pickup and tremolo. Very nice guitars but pricey.
     
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    Hey Todd,

    How was the tone of the ones you checked out?
     
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    I heard them in the context of a loud convention center room up in Reading, PA so I do not know that I can comment on the true tone. Your best bet is to try one of these before buying. The body is very thin and contoured but very comfortable. I am pretty sure the ones I saw with the burled woods were very pricey-maybe 5K
     
  7. Aardvark

    Aardvark Silver Supporting Member

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    Thanks. I currently have a strat type Warrior with Fralin SP42's, amazing guitar in every way. I got curious about the Derringer, with the P90's in combination with the middle strat PU. It seems like an interesting combination.
     
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    One of my buddies has one. Ive played it a bit, and i never liked it much. The guitar is built very solid, and the neck has a decent feel, but the tone was much to dark, and much to noisy.

    I would have liked it much more with humbuckers.

    I also think that the electronics cavity is kind of odd where the backplate is actually exposing some of the wiring. It also has 2 taps of some sort, neither of which were my cup o tea.
     
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    Aardvark Silver Supporting Member

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    Thanks for the feedback. Was the noise like P90 noise or something else? I wonder if the darkness could be adressed with pots/caps. Does the Derringer have an unusual backplate, because the other Warriors I have seen have a conventional plate which covers all the wiring. Also, did you have an opinion on the tone of the P90 combined with the strat PU? That was what I was most curious about. Thanks again.
     
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    Yes the noise was most definitely the P90s. There was also the option of the single+P90 combo, and it was not what i would like.

    It is not a guitar for me, but may fit someone very well. I played it through a Bogner XTC, VHT Pitbull, and an Orange Rockerverb 30 and i cant say i was a fan.

    I think the guitar was naturally dark due to the all Mahogany body without any top. Also the Purpleheart in the neck with the Mahogany would make it darker as well.

    If i owned the guitar, i would probably put 1meg pots in it, or a blower switch for leads.
     
  11. Ron Thorn

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    Some Warrior's metal back plates have "Warrior" machined all the way through the plate - you can see into the cavity. Perhaps this is what 7string mentioned.
     
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    Yeah thats what it was.

    I gotta admit it looks cool, but i wonder if it contributes to some of the noise?

    Thoughts?

    Also, i forget what brand pickups are in there. I think the guitar would be much better with a thick maple top. Guitar was nice and light though! It was very comfortable to play.
     
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    Thanks again for the feedback. It's very helpful.
     
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    Hi Ron,

    Thanks for your comment. While I have your ear, I am really curious about the 2 and 4 positions with P90's and a middle strat PU. The 'out-of-phase' positions are my favorite on a strat, but I have never heard them with P90's at neck and bridge. Do you have any experience with this combo?
     
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    Oh yeah, you'll still get the quack in positions 2 & 4. It'll be a little thicker, not quite as funky, but it'll sound great. I love the Bridge + Middle position more than with 2 traditional single coils. You can even get some quack with a 3 P-90 setup.

    The Warriors have got to be the sexiest feeling guitars around. The way they carve the back and the horns, very slick. The arm contour that reverses into a recarve on the treble side is a nice detail.
    Make sure you get one with my tremolo on there too. Warrior has opted to go with the 2-pc. design, brass top plate and steel block, and it sounds really good with single coils - both traditional and P-90s.

    Ron
     
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    Ive never played the derringer, but the warriors i've gotten to play felt really great, and looked really awesome if thats your thing. I like plain looking guitars personally, but if I was into the fancier stuff, I might consider one.

    As far the 2 and 4 on the p-90s, I use a strat with three p-90s in it, and It's still very very stratty sounding to me, just a little beefier, and with a bit more umph to it. I've also played a 3 pickup NR firebird with p-90s and I have to assume the warrior would sound similar due to the like body wood and construction, and I thought that thing was the bee knees.

    -DB
     
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    Thanks, Ron. That is really useful info, and I will definitely have to check out your bridge, not to mention a Thorn guitar. They look gorgeous.
     
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    Thanks for your comments, DB. I may just have to go for this type of pickup combo. By the way, many Warriors have plain old opaque paint like Fenders and have simple dot inlays. Mine is somewhere inbetween:
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    Just picked up a Derringer model Warrior and looking forward to it. I've had two Warrior guitars before but let them go. I thought I'd try this one because I love me some P-90s!

    As a matter of fact, I've got a Thorn or two that have Ron's P-90s in them ... those SMOKE! So to see Ron saying good things makes me like this one even a little more about my new Derringer Warrior acquisition.
     

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