Was John Lennon a horrible human being with little talent?

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  1. Mars Rover

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  2. Jon C

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    Flaws? Yes.

    Lack of talent?

    Hello, troll ... ;-o
     
  3. Jay K

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    Well, I have no idea whether the linked article presented by the OP is from a credible source or not, but I'm not sure asking about reactions to what is in the article is trolling, maybe just curiosity about some provocative claims.

    I'm don't know what to make of the article. A few of the claims there are not inconsistent with my own recollections from that time period, but the claim Lennon was not talented, or under-talented was not at all convincing.
     
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    Zandalf I don't remember Silver Supporting Member

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    From one who knew him quite personally for years:

    All Those Years Ago

    I'm shouting all about love
    While they treated you like a dog
    When you were the one who had made it so clear
    All those years ago

    I'm talking all about how to give
    They don't act with much honesty
    But you point the way to the truth when you say
    All you need is love

    [Chorus]
    Living with good and bad
    I always looked up to you
    Now we're left cold and sad
    By someone the devil's best friend
    Someone who offended all

    We're living in a bad dream
    They've forgotten all about mankind
    And you were the one they backed up to the wall
    All those years ago
    You were the one who imagined it all
    All those years ago

    All those years ago
    All those years ago

    Deep in the darkest night
    I send out a prayer to you
    Now in the world of light
    Where the spirit free of lies
    And all else that we despised

    They've forgotten all about God
    He's the only reason we exist
    Yet you were the one that they said was so weird
    All those years ago
    You said it all though not many had ears
    All those years ago
    You had control of our smiles and our tears
    All those years ago

    Lyric by George Harrison

    Not looking at the silly reference. If you don't get it - we're all human after all -
    then good luck with the hundreds of thousands of lives as a human you've still got left to experience...
     
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    Musicians tend to be complicated characters in my experience.
     
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    Hence the troll aspect...
     
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    It is interesting that if we take a lot of revered historical figures, famous musicians, etc. and viewed their life through the lens that we would view say, your brother-in-law, you might have found them significantly lacking.

    Freaking drugs. I don't care who you are or how much money you have, addiction in an atom bomb.

    Talentless? Seriously? Yeah, right! ;)
     
  8. Mighty Melvin

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    I'm pretty sure that he was an a'hole.

    And by the way, John Lennon was pretty much useless without the Beatles. He had "Imagine", a nursery melody with silly adolescent lyrics that appealed to silly adolescents with nursery perceptions of the world, but all of the Beatles, including Ringo, had more and bigger hits than Lennon did.
     
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    Well this ought to go well, the man had his personal problems and demons, but the idea that he had no talent is laughably stupid.
     
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    You can scratch up and ever fabricate things on most anyone.
    He should just be remembered for being the incredible talent that he was.

    For the guy 2 posts above me, how did you come to these conclusions, do you believe everything you read? Useless without the Beatles, that's a stretch.
     
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    A-Bone Montonero, MOY, Multitudes Gold Supporting Member

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    Lennon was a complicated and contradictory man, like most of us.

    As far as his post-band output is concerned, I'm pretty sure Lennon sold more albums than Starr, and also that the former had at least as many top 40 singles as the latter (and maybe as many as Harrison, as well).
     
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    He was a talented tortured genius. Sounds about right.
     
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    That's very sad to see such a great poignant song so horribly misunderstood.

    No reason to bother explaining.

    That's in the eye of the beholder, not the work itself.
     
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    John Lennon was the artistic leader of the Beatles until into 1965. Filled with inner pain, Lennon went headlong into psychedelics. Wrote some great music, and not so great (Baby You're a Rich Man, She Said She Said). 1968: heroin and Yoko, who controlled Lennon. 1969: heroin and silly peacenick stuff and nonsense political posturing. For those years his songwriting was declining, though he still had his moments for sure (Happiness Is a Warm Gun, Revolution, Come Together, Don't Let Me Down). 1970: Interesting solo album. Back on heroin in 1972, the year of the catastrophic Sometime in New York City. Broke with Yoke in 1974 and produced the underrated Walls and Bridges, though was now a raging alcoholic. Then disappeared into self-imposed isolation and more drugs. Was anorexic, too. Regained some form with Double Fantasy, but the record hasn't lasted.

    I don't think Lennon ever really recovered from his early experiments with psychedelics and heroin. He would not be the first. Of course, all of this arguable.
     
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    Rubbish.

     
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    You seem like a very wise man.
     
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    Gas-man Unrepentant Massaganist

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    Ok.

    So what is the nasty dirt on McCartney?

    Comparable?
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    I like a lot of Lennon's 70's songs like Bless You and #9 dream. Great, great melodies.
     
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    It's a matter of do as I say, not as I do.

    Lennon knew he was no angel and he admitted it more than once.

    So let's look at the big picture. Leaving out his personal relationships he tried to promote positive things in this world and he succeeded in many ways. He helped bring joy to millions.

    How many people can say that?

    Certainly not Benjamin who wrote the above hatchet job. He says people shouldn't model their lives after Lennon and then went on to expose all of the things that Lennon didn't want people to do or probably even know about. So who is the more positive influence in this picture?
     
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    Hack Prophet vile mighty wretched Silver Supporting Member

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    what a biased smear piece
     
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    Horrible human being? Yeah, he was a prick.

    Little talent? Idk if I would say that, but I'm definitely not a fan.
     
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