Well I did it....I bought a 2015 lp junior

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I'm almost afraid to post this because of all the hate for the 2015's.....they are all gonna laugh at me!...that logo!...the unplayable neck!...the hologram! The mini space ship on the back of the headstock! The Zero fret/brass nut!...

I had wanted a traditional styled jr forever just for the reasons that they've always been so great, such as surface mounted p-90's, the solid wraparound bridge and one of the best neck joints ever, so I was pretty happy to see gibson putting one out again.......until I started reading the forums. I decided to proceed with caution.

Went to GC a couple weeks ago to play one before buying....the main thing I was concerned about was the neck shape. You can't really change that......first off, it is wider,but I like it. It feels substantial and fits the crease of my hand fine....I would suggest that if you were to consider buying one, you try it out first. You might not like it. However, I am not having issues whatsoever...I can wrap my thumb around it and dig in for bends just fine....I'll admit, it has been making me play a bit more with the thumb in the center of the back of the neck position than some of my other guitars, but I've always looked at this grip as sort of a different gear for playing as it were...... Maybe a speed grip or something along those lines if that makes sense.

The gforce actually works fine but it doesn't stretch the strings for you....the result is that immediately after tuning everything is perfectly tuned but as soon as you bend a string and then go back to play a chord, the string will be flat....so I've found the only way to actually make it completely usable is to tune in single string mode and after plucking a string, to bend it to where it is flat and pluck again a couple times. It is much faster than tuning by hand.....I may still remove it. I really don't need it and I, like many others wish this was an option. It would have been nice if there was a version a bit cheaper without it. But there isn't so.....

I haven't made any adjustments to the brass nut yet, there is not any need to at this time so I'm not going to touch it unless an issue arises that calls for it. It is perfectly intonated and the action is fine. I did lower the bridge, bringing the strings a bit closer to the UNadjustable dogear pup......the action, and the distance from string to magnet are kind of important considerations for dogear p90 equipped guitars It's really nice to have both of these factors "line up" as it were, which they do. (With my old casino, I could have an ideal string mag distance but the strings would buzz in certain positions, OR I could have ideal action but the strings would be a bit far from the mags, it was a compromise) this might not be consistent from guitar to guitar so keep that in mind as well. (It's always been that way with dogears) on mine it is great.

The newer p90st's still sound like p90's for the most part....they are brighter as advertised....usually with p90's I have the tone knob on 6 or so, with this, I have it on about 4. I have never played a guitar with the tone knob turned down so much before......not sure how to describe the sound exactly....hi-fi p90? Modern p90? Idk. The fast attack is there, but they have more sustain. (This guitar has more sustain than my sg when both are unplugged as well, so that is also something to consider). Sounds like a p90 but feels like a humbucker in a way......they are musical and I like em fine. I may change em to Lollars or fralins or what have you someday but they sound great through an ac 15 and I think they take fuzz very well (tone reaper and hoof fuzz sound real good, fuzz face, not so much)

Thicker rosewood fretboard sounds like a good idea.....I don't see many people mentioning this. It seems more important than the logo if you're someone who plays it more than looking at it. Idk.
Which, finally brings me to the most important consideration of all. Probably THE most important thing about buying an electric guitar. The logo.
Yep, it's ugly. Nope, I don't care. The hologram?.....yeah, don't care......idk, it just doesn't bring that passionate disgust out of me that I keep seeing from so many. Do I wish it had the traditional logo? Sure but I'm really fine with it........

With all that being said, the jr is the ONLY gibson I would consider buying out of the 2015 lineup, just for the reasons I stated above about the things I like about jr's..I DO agree the price increases are ridiculous on the standards and such. ( fwiw, I used a %15 off discount card that came with a GC catalog,which saved me about $135, so that helped a bit), but all in all, I'm happy with my purchase.....just my two cents.
 
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Seegs

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So you bought one...do you like it?

I have a late 80s Burny (Japan) LP Jr. and it is amazing for certain styles of music...unfortunately I don't play any of those styles...

Sometimes the width of the neck bothers me...not the most comfortable guitar for me to play but it sounds amazing through an 18 watt Marshall amp for slide...problem is...I never play slide because I suck at it!

Chow,
Seegs
 
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So you bought one...do you like it?

I have a late 80s Burny (Japan) LP Jr. and it is amazing for certain styles of music...unfortunately I don't play any of those styles...

Sometimes the width of the neck bothers me...not the most comfortable guitar for me to play but it sounds amazing through an 18 watt Marshall amp for slide...problem is...I never play slide because I suck at it!

Chow,
Seegs
Yes I like it fine.all the things that matter to me are present. I don't think the new neck widths are for everyone but I like it fine...would love to hear mine through an 18 watt Marshall! I'll bet that sounds awesome.....
 

Seegs

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Yes I like it fine.all the things that matter to me are present. I don't think the new neck widths are for everyone but I like it fine...would love to hear mine through an 18 watt Marshall! I'll bet that sounds awesome.....
It sounds great...like it was made for that amp...a perfect match for classic rock ...Americana and Indy stuff...

I play blues and RnB and can't really use it for any of that except as a slide guitar...I am actually thinking of starting another project so I can use this guitar with the 18 watt Marshall-style amp...

It sounds good but less so through my 64 Blackface Bassman...

Chow,
Seegs
 

stevieboy

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"They", "P90s", and "Jr." don't belong in the same review. A junior has ONE P90.

There, how's that for some real old fashioned traditionalism? Now what was that other stuff again? A what did you say? on the back of the headstock? :banana
 

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awesome! I really want to try out one of the LP Specials they have in the 2015 run. I'm waiting to play one before I write off the whole 2015 line. The guitar world is pretty split on this year's Gibson run to say the least!
 
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"They", "P90s", and "Jr." don't belong in the same review. A junior has ONE P90.

There, how's that for some real old fashioned traditionalism? Now what was that other stuff again? A what did you say? on the back of the headstock? :banana
Lol......thanks for setting me straight.
 
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It sounds great...like it was made for that amp...a perfect match for classic rock ...Americana and Indy stuff...

I play blues and RnB and can't really use it for any of that except as a slide guitar...I am actually thinking of starting another project so I can use this guitar with the 18 watt Marshall-style amp...

It sounds good but less so through my 64 Blackface Bassman...

Chow,
Seegs
That's always nice when a Guitar and an amp bring out the best in each other.....I've always thought el-84 based amps and p-90's sounded good together. It sounds good through a vox for sure!......I wish I still had my casino. I never got a chance to play that through my vox, but I suspect they would have sounded great together.......I think there was some band back in the 60's who used that particular combination with good results but the name escapes me. (Lol).......I've considered buying one of the 18 watt clone kits and seeing if I could maybe pay a friend of mine to build it.
 

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@Ziggy. absolutely perfect review. And huge thanks for the tuning tip! This is a must know secret to using this guitar.

I bought the Heritage Cherry color of this model. Its the only one in the line up I will consider buying after playing nearly all the new 2015 Gibson models at every GC within 60 miles of my place in So Cal. If (literally a big IF) you can get past the Les Paul scrawling signature and the holograph image - then you stand a chance at picking it up and playing it. I bought through AMS because I am cheap and I wanted to avoid sales tax and take a spin on it with some flexible financing and easy return policy just to make sure I got a keeper. BTW, I am keeping the one I got... so please read on for a lot of boring deets - unless you are weirdly retentive like me... Oh, I am a major long time lurker here (this isn't a main forum for me so I don't have a lot of posts) and have owned a ton of guitars. I'll hopefully share some facts and my opinion.

My guitar weighs a bit under 8 pounds and is a 3 piece body (every single junior and special I saw were 3 piece bodies) Fit and finish and frets are excellent. The zero nut actually is a decent feature. The frets are cool with somebody who loves the feel of jumbos from the old RG550 Paul Gilbert days... The case is a bit of a garish color but seems functional.

The Junior balances well on the knee with no strap and hangs nice on a strap. The vol and tone pots swell easily. Getting a decent tone out of the p90 is easy. I am playing through a modded Blues Jr at home and use a variety of pedals. I like organic sounding tones and this guitar does it... I can make it snarly but prefer to make it more a smokey twang banger.

The two biggest issues that everyone is bitching about are the electronic tuners and the neck. First the neck...

The neck is either a like or hate - which in my opinion is the best type of choice. If you are like me you will like it... I first started out loving Ibanez wizard & charvel/jackson shredder necks but as I become much older, ahem, I now like thicker necks (say Fender Baja tele or PRS SC58 style) and this new wider but slim taper fits just right for me. You MUST play one before you buy it. Play chords up and down the neck and not just A minor (5th position) pentatonic blues scales. You'll see how a flat fretboard radius and the width actually compliment or hinder your playing... this is like a good telecaster - your weak playing skills get exposed real fast if you play clean and with out distortion. Plus this means you'll know within a minute or so if this neck makes you play better or not.

The Gforce tuners are still a bit of a struggle for me but Ziggy's advice in his review is a problem solver and should actually be used as a sticky on some gibson related thread. All this said I am most likely going to remove the electronic tuners and put on locking kluson tuners.

One last thing, I am seriously thinking of modding the guitar and adding a Lollar Charlie Christian in the neck and doing some type of push pull pot set up so that I don't need to add a 3 switch.... but that will be down a bit.

Overall... score is 8.5 out of 10 for a guitar thats made in the USA and just under a grand. Hopefully this makes a little dent into keeping manufacturing jobs in the US for a little while longer too. BTW, A 10.0 would have to crush me and a 9.5 is what I would consider a completely bespoke handmade instrument so this is actually a really high score for me to give this instrument .

Lastly, I too, am VERY skeptical as any one who likes the Gibson brand but has been disappointed over and over by minor by ultimately significantly issues. I am content with this purchase.

Thanks for reading all the way through my mini-novel.
 






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