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WGS Invader / ET-65 pairing!

papersoul

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Has anyone tried this mix in a 412 X pattern? I have tried a lot of WGS speakers and my favorite is the Vet30/ET65 - sounds great with my Bogner, PWE and Mesa.

Right now I have a Celestion Lynchback and Greenbacks in my Splawn 412 but also have been trying some WGS speakers. I really wanted this cab to be like a high powered Greenback meets G65 cab....light in weight....which leaves me with 65's and Greenback type speakers.

Right now I am about to test the Lynchback/ET-65 and will report back. I was going to do Lynchback/Creamback but that is too expensive. Tired of spending on speakers, when WGS makes such a nice speaker for less. I am hoping I can live with the ET-65/Lynchback blend for some years. If not, the ET-65/Invader will be up next. Otherwise I go back to the standby - Vet30/ET-65.

My other two cabs:
Bogner 212 - Vintage 30s
Stone Age 212C semi open back - G12K-100s
Splawn 412 - some form of high powered Greenback set up (right now GB/Lynchback, soon to be ET-65/Lynchback)

Thanks!
 

dave_mc

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haven't tried it, but i'd be interested to hear what you think. :) I'm half thinking of picking up two et65s.
 

rvf263

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Thought I'd revive this thread since I'm considering the ET65/Invader pair in a Avatar 2x12 closed back.

Hey papersoul,
Did you ever try this pairing out?
 

a player

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No, just get 2 ET's or 2 Vet's. no mixing needed at all. Its just a gimmick started with the manufacturer to increase sales.

Also, mixing speakers with different wattage and dB sensitivity is nor good at all.
 
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No, just get 2 ET's or 2 Vet's. no mixing needed at all. Its just a gimmick started with the manufacturer to increase sales.

Also, mixing speakers with different wattage and dB sensitivity is nor good at all.
Sure, that's why so many big artists and producers do it, and why I get such great results with my ET65/veteran 30 combo in my 2 2x12 cabs... :dunno
 

mtm105

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I have INvader and Reaper HP mix 2X12 closed. I bought only because it was part of WGS used sale.

I really like both Invader and ET/65s. I have ET/65 and Vet mix in 4X12 and I'm not blown away, but it's closded MDF and that could be part of the problem. The Vet is kinda quiet and doesn't jump out like I hoped. The Invader may in fact be the perfect mix with ET/65. It's an explosive speaker and blends OK with Reaper HP, but the Reaper HP doesn't compliment the Invader sound, IMO. It sorta enhances it, but it doesn't compliment...if that makes sense.

I would like to know how you make out. I also have Retro/ET65 working in two open back 1X12s and it's a complete sound. The Retro and Invader both have an open presence sound. Invader is probably slightly more high gain than Retro. That's why it may mix well with ET/65 which has a full sound with lotsa mids, but not a lotta bite. Invader is all bite without mid-scoop.
 
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papersoul

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Sure, that's why so many big artists and producers do it, and why I get such great results with my ET65/veteran 30 combo in my 2 2x12 cabs... :dunno
I can tell you my Splawn 412 sounds better with a mix of 25 watt Greenbacks and 50 watt Lynchbacks. Wattage is not as big a deal as db rating, but even then if they work well together, go for it.

I am now 100% Celestion and staying that way. I no longer use Eminence or WGS.
 

MissoulaGriz

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I had the Retro30/ET65 mix for quite a bit in a 2X12 semi-open back cabinet. The extended upper mids and highs in the Retro 30 were really driving me crazy. I couldn't dial it out without making it sound like I was throwing a blanket over the cabinet. I decided to take a chance and ordered an Invader 50 to pair with the ET65. Man, what a difference. It's hard to describe in words but the cabinet just sounds so much more rock n roll. I know, that's totally subjective but the tone I'm getting with my rig ('67 Bassman) and my guitars takes it more into a woody, natural overdrive without the spiky mids and highs always being so in your face. I still stand out and have a sonic footprint in a live setting with another guitarist so that's important for me also. The ET65 holds the lows together and the Invader 50 has a touch more mids where they are more scooped in the ET65 and they both share the same higher frequencies. All together they pair very very well without one frequency dominating the sound.

I think the similar SPL of the ET65 and Invader 50 help also as the Retro 30 was just a little more dominant than the ET65 when I was running them together. I think Vaughan over at WGS says the ET65/Invader combo is more "Marshallesque" and I would agree with him 100%. It's a great speaker combo for everything from cleans to light to medium gain overdrive and crunch (I'd say up to AC/DC and Social D overdrive). I'm not sure how it would do with high gain and palm muted stuff however.

Yeah, I'd call the ET65/Invader 50 a killer rock n roll combo.

I put the Retro 30 in a closed back 1X12 and it sounds amazing with my 18watt Phaez SIBLY.
 
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candid_x

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I can't recommend it. I've an Invader in a HRDX and ran an ET-65 in an ext cab with it. The result didn't impress me, though I like both speakers in respective amps. They're just too different and rather than compliment one another, to me they compete. But it's important to qualify this by saying this test was only run through a HRDX. Can't speak for other amps.

I should also mention that I don't like mixing speakers anymore.
 

MissoulaGriz

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I definitely think that speaker pairings come alive at stage/rehearsal volume. I've often been disappointed in mixed speaker pairings when playing at very quiet home levels but then quickly change my mind as soon as I'm able to really push some air and get the cones working. It seems like the speakers are able to interact with each other at that point.

The more I'm playing this ET65/Invader mix the more I'm appreciating the sound. The Invader 50 is a great speaker on it's own and mixed with the ET65, they both bring a very convincing Greenback sound.
 






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