What are the Darkest and Warmest sounding 12" speakers for guitar?

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  1. Rod

    Rod Tone is Paramount Silver Supporting Member

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    I have a RockyTop 45H old style Marshall JTM45 which has EL34's in it..Sounds great, but it will take your head off with any Weber/ Celestion type G12h30 or Greenback 12" Speaker, and I that's with an SG and LP with WCR Pickups!!! What would be the darkest/warmest 12" speaker I could use to warm things up, and get more of what I call that "In the Back" type of tone???? Eminence Cannibus Rex???any suggestions would be really helpful....thankx guys...rod
     
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    Mebbe Weber Michigan or Thames with Beambocker. Love Webers...JR

    Had great luck with Electro-Harmonix 6CA7's to warm up peaky EL34's.
     
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    hawkeyeinexile Silver Supporting Member

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    i'll +1 on the Weber Michigan AlNiCo. w/my Heritage Victory i crank the treble to compensate. beautiful, voluptuous sound. another guesstimate: Fane 12 AlNiCo.

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    Are the Cannibis Rex's Eminences Warmest/Darkest Speaker?????
     
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    I don't think so ... I think speakers like Swamp Things might be.. BUT I haven't tried Swamp Things nor do I need any more speakers.. Meanwhile, the Cannabis Rex's match BEAUTIFULLY with a JTM45.. I just have about a 1990 RI Jtm45 but retro/vintage modded by Don Butler and tweaked a slight bit by me, and I've never heard a better speaker than the Cannabis Rex's for it.. I use an old Naylor 2x12 openback typically with 2 Cannabis Rexs in it... The funny thing is that cabinet came with Naylors ... It was very directional and in your face middy.. I tried LOADS of Webers, Celestions and other speakers in there, and didn't like the cabinet. it looks great but just didn't sound great like my other cabs. I put in 1 Cannabis Rex and left the other hole open.. KICKED ASS (i.e. detuned cab) ... Then tried the 2 in there, also kicked ass. .It's a GREAT SOUND... I didn't like the cab with ANY of my other speakers... I've used the Cannabis Rex's with various Marshalls , Engls, Thd's, Demeters, my Orange, Hiwatt pre, etc,etc and they're great. Warm , smokey and balanced. They are NOT dark to me, just warm and smokey if that means anything. .The hi-end is just fine.

    ERIC

    p.s. I just copy/pasted this from an ebay ad , and I think it's from Eminence's webpage: It's hilarious to me to read advertising copy sometimes. (i.e. the country , jazz, classical reference!) I took classical piano lessons for 7 years, but I've never played country , the closest I could come to jazz is fusion , and I play modern alt-rock , hard rock , metal , heavy blues, etc. . I'm much more like Soundgarden meets Primus meets Stevie Salas meets Hendrix than any of those categories and they're about my favorite! SO it just goes to show ya :D

    Clean and Full, with Lots of Body and Sparkle.
    Smokey Smooth with high-End Definition."


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    Lead/Rhythm Guitar



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    Country, Jazz, Classical
     
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    Tone Tubbies. The only way you can get darker and warmer is to throw a wet blanket over your cab. In fact the tone is pretty similar to my ear....

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    Weber Silver bell alnico and blue dog alnicos have always helped smooth out amps tending toward icepickiness for me, without having the blanket effect. (SPAM admittal - I am selling a cab with a couple of these in it ). But it's true - I used to have a Dr Z KT45 that was cool, but not pretty with any of the ceramic Celestions; it sounded perfect with the Weber alnicos.
     
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    I would go with a combination of a Tone Tubby Alnico and a Ceramic TT. They make a cab called the "Bomb" which had this combo in it and it works great. I have one and I love it.
     
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    The Swamp Thang is a relatively bright speaker.
     
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    try brass sadlles on the plain string from stewmac - costs almost nothing.
    also weber silver bell and c1230-55 are good.
     
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    also: try weber beamblockers and a thick grill cloth
     
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    Thanks for that info.. I shouldn't have guessed that based on what I'd read that it was a dark speaker. My Cannabis Rex descriptions are based on LOTS of experience with them but I should know better than to hypothesize about gear based on copy!!! ERIC
     
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    Try a pillow and a mattress.. I thought he was asking about the Cannabis Rex and speakers?

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    I've personally never used a darker or lower thumping speaker than the Eminence Legend V12
     
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    I'll add my votes for the Weber Silver/Blue alnico combo...very fat and warm!

    I also have an alnico Tone Tubby (paper cone)...dark & sweet.

    Greg
     
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    I have a Cannabis Rex and a Legend V12. I think the Cannabis Rex might be even slightly darker. It is definitely good, but I think I'll sell mine and stick with my other speakers. If you do go with a Cannabis Rex in your amp, I'd recommend pairing it with a British speaker to keep some of the British sound. Maybe a V12 or G12-65, or Tone Tubby.
     

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