what could beat the black strat in value at auction?

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  1. Jayyj

    Jayyj Supporting Member

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    The Robert Johnson Gibson L-1 was offered for sale about a decade ago for a cool $6m and had interested parties.

    Sadly, the provenance essentially turned out to be a letter that read 'we really, really, really, really want this to be the guitar in the Robert Johnson photo', at which point several very heavy wallets snapped swiftly closed. It's an interesting possibility though, if an L-1 surfaced with a convincing provenance to connect it to Johnson.

    The other missing in action Gibson guitar that I'm sure would cruise well into seven figures is the re-topped Nick Lucas Bob Dylan used for the Don't Look Back era. Being in mind Dylan already has a million dollar guitar under his belt and the Nick Lucas is surely the most well known Dylan guitar I think that one could be a big one.
     
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    This Stradivarius (Stratocaster?) Violin is valued pretty high at about 45 Million--and it doesn't even have a pickup or tone pot or nothing--oops, wrong forum, sorry...
     
  3. Droliver

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    Kids playing riffs at Guitar Center is not a particularly good metric of what might be the most famous or valuable individual guitar in the world at auction.

    The Red Special has books and documentaries about it, and Brian May has done speaking tours just about the guitar and it’s history which have sold out. Hell, it even has its own Wikipedia page. It’s well known and instantly recognizable (like Trigger or the Hofner bass) by any player or collector and has a unique providence (unlike a production model guitar). Queen’s music has also been a much bigger part of the culture the last 30 years between Live Aid, Freddie’s death, the #1 charting of Boehemian Rhapsody in the 1990’s following Wayne World, and the international smash Queen biopic movie in 2018. You put all that together, and it would blow Gilmour’s strat out of the water at auction I suggest because the audience for it is MUCH bigger then for Pink Floyd’s guitarist. The McCartney bass is the only thing to rival it.
     
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  4. 55hz

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    Let’s assume all guitars are back on the market.

    Now...
     
  5. sahhas

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    I do wonder, though???

     
  6. bojocatkite

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    Beside instruments from Hendrix, The Beatles, or Page, let's be serious no one has the potential to beat Pink Floyd/ David Gilmour Strat.... and especially not Brian May, I like him very much but he is not even in the same ballpark no matter how much the media push the Queen lately.
    The reason, for me, is how much the artist's music touched people, Hendrix, The beatles, Gilmour have touched millions of fans to the core of their heart, I'm talking about life altering experience, I never heard anybody saying they had a spiritual experience listening to The Queen... You can not compare The Queen and Pink Floyd, the same way you don't compare Oasis with The Beatles, the mystic behind Pink Floyd with their over the top live shows, their longevity is unmatched.....and on top of that they have been pushed by the media for decades, understandably and I'm not sure the generation during Queen time have as much money to spend as the baby boomers who listen to Pink Floyd.
     
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    I think the one thing you have to think of is who is a bigger worldwide draw as a band, who had a unique instrument, that was identified with the band or sound?
    My only real guess is: beatles, Queen, or LED zeppelin.
    Possibly U2.... as much as I love VH, I’m not sure their appeal/ success ever reached the status of those bands, although Ed is certainly a celebrated guitarist...
     
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    If you count for inflation, Hendrix Woodstock Strat sold for 2 million in 92/early 90s.
    That's 3.6 million today.
     
  9. Jayyj

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    I think the Beatles guitars are going to be the biggest sellers but a huge margin. Beatle's memorabilia is in a class of it's own and the guitars simply don't come up that often - McCartney still has his, Yoko has John's, not sure so much about George although his family bought back the Rosewood Tele.

    Baring in mind how much fairly obscure Beatle guitars have gone for - Lennon's original J160e (The one stolen early on, not the famous one that got refinished) went for $2.4m, a Maton briefly owned by Harrison came close to 500k - if one of the really big ones ever comes up it will surely smash any previous records. McCartney's violin basses and Lennon's Casino and Ricks would be to of the pile, but a Harrison Gretsch or the 12 string Hard Day's Night Rick, Paul and George's Casinos, Harrison's Lucy LP and his 160e, the Epiphone Paul used to play Yesterday on... There's quite a few that would be contenders to break the seven figure mark.

    Hard to see that any of them will though, unless it ends up as a charity thing that Paul or Yoko (or possibly their estates) decide to do.
     
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    I’m not sure I agree w/ this. Queen is a pretty huge band world-wise, they wrote great music, and Mercury was probably the greatest frontman of all time. And Brian May is associated w/ one guitar for his entire career, that he made w/ his dad. I doubt the red special will ever be sold, I don’t think May was a collector like Gilmour... I mean part of the reason is he owned a lot of guitars in his career, he’s probably like Clapton, he can sell a ton of his guitars, and he probably still has a good collection to use. But the sale by Gilmour is probably a benchmark that will stand for awhile

     
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    It is when those kids grow up to become Jim Irsay and the like.
     
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    Queen was a very popular band and May is a fantastic guitarist ... he's just not in the same league in terms of name recognition and the gear he used, in a broader sense outside the hard core guitar community, that Page, Gilmour, Hendrix, EVH and possilby SRV were in. Queen is a very interesting band to analyze in terms of what drove their success.
     
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    I get what you are saying, but don't agree. There are plenty vintage strats, but only one Franky.
     
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    -I'm a huge Hendrix fan-, BUT:

    the woodstock strat is a one time one day performance only used guitar to play the national anthem tool once, yet still that defines the late 60s,
    => it's a POP culture icon

    the black strat is RECORDED on a bazillion albums throughout 40 years and responsible for some of the best guitar solos EVER RECORDED....
    => it's a MUSIC history icon

    so even as a Hendrix mega fan, I'm NOT surprised that the black strat went 4 Mill. and to me is actually more important than the woodstock strat, musically speaking.

    I dont dream to play the national anthem at night, I do dream to have come up with Comfortably Numb, The Wall, Wish you were Here, Shine on your Crazy Diamond, Money. etc etc etc
     
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    The was not true of the 80s. There were plenty of Stratocasters around - and plenty of name players using them.
     
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    The Reality for Brian Mays Red - Queen is Freddie Mercury to most people - Brain Mays the Guitar Player. Queens most iconic song is not remembered for the guitars - think about it - everyone will sing the operatic middle section with glee - no one thinks about the guitar parts - outside of guitar players. But you take Gilmours Stratocaster - it reminds people of many etherial moments with Pink Floyd. It's just the way it is.
     
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    That was my first thought, but I don't follow stuff like this very closely so for all I knew it was already in some collector's hands. But except for Jimi's white Strat, it's hard to think of a more iconic guitar.
     
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    Van Halen was not very popular outside of the US. The majority of the records they sold (75 million) were here. Willie Nelsons Trigger is certainly iconic - but like Van Halen Nelson is an America Icon and not so much a international icon. From what I see - Pink Floyd was a world wide phenom. They were popular everywhere.
     
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    Gilmour/Pink Floyd and SRV aren’t particularly well known in pop culture the way Zeppelin, Hendrix, Queen, and Van Halen were/are. They don’t have the same footprint. Most people probably in the public at large couldn’t name a song by Pink Floyd, much less ID the guitarist.

    Now Brian May isn’t Freddy Mercury in Q rating, but a boat load more people know who he is vs David Gilmour (if for no other reason then the Queen film and his legendary hair :) ) and there are a LOT more Queen fans world wide then Pink Floyd fans. That large world wide reach for potential buyers and the singular nature of the instrument make me think it would fetch even more then the Gilmour guitars at auction.
     
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