What do amp builders THINK of Modelers?

Discussion in 'Digital & Modeling Gear' started by stratchamp57, Jan 29, 2020.

  1. MatchFive

    MatchFive Silver Supporting Member

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    That is correct. It's more TGP-esque being offended and confrontational..
     
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    Ok, so I was holding back but here goes. A while ago I went to a theatre concert by a much revered guitar player ( I won’t mention his name to avoid another side controversy). Anyway, he was playing thru a Two Rock amp and a vertical 2/12. We were about six rows back and it was brutally loud. How loud? We stuffed our ears and the player consciously avoided standing in front of his amp. So, how’s that for “feel”? Guess what, the audience could tell the difference, they were running for ear plugs too! I couldn’t help think that he would have connected musically so much better with a modeling solution thru the PA.
     
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  3. Gasp100

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    I think he is having a pedal made of that amp? Haven't you seen the video?
     
  4. Wagster

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    Nope
     
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    This one or a different one? I don't think I've ever watched this one all the way through.
    I've seen enough Rhett vids where I kinda know when I can FF.
     
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    McDonald's shakes are made with soft-serve ice cream and milk now... ;) They're actually very similar from a raw ingredient perspective. A lot more butterfat in the traditional one, though.
     
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  7. EL84 Abuser

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    Or an amp that wasn't brutally loud.
     
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    aynirar27 All You Need Is Rock and Roll Gold Supporting Member

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    does it still come in a bag?
     
  9. DGTCrazy

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    Folks,


    These Digital vs Modeling discussions that become uncivil so quickly just get old.

    Most of you are being very respectful and to those of you I say “thank you”. To anyone else reported in this thread, please don’t be surprised if the consequences of your actions are severe.
     
  10. Captainruss

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    Already done, release date of March or something
     
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  11. Digital Larry

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    Not that what I think matters or is even novel, but:
    1) After dialing in some hella feedback with my IEMs, I cannot tell the slightest difference between a tube amp and the top of the line modelers.
    2) Tube amps are more "down to earth" because a person without electronics or DSP training can actually build one. That's pretty hard to say about modelers.
     
  12. Gasp100

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    Want! How much?
     
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    I know, it sounds great. I missed the earlier video about his amp, heard him mention it but never paid attention to it. Thought, “why would he want to replicate that old beater in a pedal?”. After I heard the demo I got it. My recently self-imposed pedal buying moratorium is in jeopardy.
     
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    This notion that tube amp zealots often bring up that using a modeler is a compromise is just silly. And the point one of them made that tube amps are for making music and modelers are just tools sounded a little desperate.

    To me, these are all just choices. I've made my choice and it doesn't involve tube amps at this time - mine are all gone. I've been slowly moving in this direction for years. I don't miss playing through a tube amp one bit.
     
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    Why not? My ex girlfriend has an ex wife. o_O
     
  16. twoheadedboy

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    I think that depends on the amp. I think modelers do a great job with very clean and very distorted sounds, but they don't do a great job with the more complex and dynamic mid-gain sounds. I like modelers and I have been using them for well over a decade, but I've never heard a modeler that replicates what a cranked 50s tweed Deluxe or Bassman can do.
     
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    Both don't get that "in the room" feel.
     
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    nice analogies! Now I have something to use to explain the differences, though I’d prefer the comparison using Pringles and home made chips. Both are made using potatoes (electrons, electricity, what have you) and both taste great, but not quite the same thing.
     
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    I haven’t looked to see if any of these guys do it, but I like what Dr Z did. I read that he didn’t like the profiles he was hearing of his amps, so he bought a Kemper and started creating and selling his own.
     
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  20. PudWud

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    I watch Rhett’s videos regularly and I think he’s a great player with a great ear for tone.

    I like a real tube amp more than I like a digital modelling platform. But I am still migrating my rig over to a pedalboard and Strymon iridium as I’ve had a change in circumstances that means I only play at home at the moment.

    For my current needs, the Strymon iridium sounds better at the volumes I currently play at vs a real tube amp. I’d rather have a tube amp, but I can’t crank it loud enough at home to get it to sound good. Whereas the Strymon sounds good at those lower volumes.
    As Rhett says, they are different tools for a different job.
     

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