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What do I need for worship?

Resonate01

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I'm starting to get more involved with my church's worship team and now I've realized that I need a pedalboard. I'm looking to keep things cheap(er) but still get a tone close to Hillsong. I also play rythm for the most part.

I own a fender telecaster with single coil pick ups and my amp is a fender blues deluxe. I'm assuming I need overdrive/distortion, delay, and possibly reverb? What should I stack my overdrives with for rythm tone? What's a good delay pedal that is still decently cheap? I am so confused on this.

Also I do own an actual board which is the PT-2 and I own a voodoo lab ISO5 pedal power.

Any help?
 

CRWolf

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I'm interested to know why you think you need a new amp. I think what you have is a fine pedal platform.

Also, what do you have as far as pedals go? That will help this process. And define "cheap." That means different things to different people.
 

tteixeira

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You already have a great platform! Fender blues deluxe is a solid starter tube amp and beyond. I would start off with a simple delay with tap tempo (I'm leaning Boss DD-5), a decent overdrive like a Boss SD-1, and just take it from there. It's a fun journey!
 

madhattertcm

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A good an inexpensive start would be
Barber LTD (low gain OD)
If you want a second drive, a timmy, rock candy, or Prince of tone would do nicely.
Nova Delay (multi-setting delay for around $140)
RV3 (reverb and delay)

If you're doing hillsong stuff, that's really all you'd need. You probably won't need distortion.

Those three pedal will total about $340 here in the emporium, and you'll be set. Honestly, I don't know why my board isn't just those three pedals. It's all anyone REALLY needs.
 

3LittleBirds

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Tube screamer, Timmy, dd7 will get you a long ways. Two very different low gainers that stack nicely when you need to rip.
 

sub rosa

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I'm starting to get more involved with my church's worship team and now I've realized that I need a pedalboard. I'm looking to keep things cheap(er) but still get a tone close to Hillsong. I also play rythm for the most part.

I own a fender telecaster with single coil pick ups and my amp is a fender blues deluxe. I'm assuming I need overdrive/distortion, delay, and possibly reverb? What should I stack my overdrives with for rythm tone? What's a good delay pedal that is still decently cheap? I am so confused on this.

Also I do own an actual board which is the PT-2 and I own a voodoo lab ISO5 pedal power.

Any help?
I would recommend you explore this forum - linked to at the top of the page: http://praiseandworshipforum.com/forum/index.php

There is a lot of information in there.
 

ToneBum

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Tube screamer, Timmy, dd7 will get you a long ways. Two very different low gainers that stack nicely when you need to rip.
I'll second this combo (especially the DD7 and Timmy) but then add reverb. The Hardwire RV7 is great and you can find them used for around $100 or less here. There's lots of uses for reverb in modern praise music. But, you'll need a pedal tuner as well and I'd recommend the polytune mini since its a great accurate tuner with a small footprint.
 

Resonate01

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I noticed I typed that I needed a new amp but that was a mistake so I edited it.

I own a Polytune and a TS9dx so far. My definition of cheap would be somewhere between 100-200$ per pedal. Leaning on DD7 for delay but I'd like another overdrive for a nice boost. I need something for a better rythm tone. Timmy isn't available where I live and I don't purchase online. Fulldrive 2 or Sparkle drive do the trick?
 
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DD7 is a great choice. I use it for worship and it covers all my bases. Such a great pedal. Both the fulldrive 2 or sparkle would do nicely. Honestly, you can't really loose between the two. Try them both out and choose which on you like best! You'll have an awesome sounding board in no time!
 

justin_fraser

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I've found the Fulltone OCD to give me a ton of options when it comes to sounds in worship band. In fact, that pedal is on 90% of the time when playing in church. I too use a Fender Blues Deluxe (not a reissue granted, but close nonetheless) and it is a fantastic amp with the OCD. That, and the OCD is only $140 or so.

As for delay, a DD7 would be a great choice. I had a DD6 for a few years and quite enjoyed it but recently upgraded to a Diamond Memory Lane Jr., a more expensive delay that suited my style more, but the price is probably too much at this point for your budget. So the DD7 would be great.

As for reverb, TC Electronic makes a great reverb pedal at a decent price that you should check out.

With those three pedals (overdrive, delay, and reverb), you will have all you need for a killer sound. That being said, making due with what you have/can afford is never a bad option and the congregation probably doesn't notice anyways :p
 

Mngwa

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Originally Posted by CRWolf
I'm interested to know why you think you need a new amp.


madhattertcm:
Where did he say he wanted a new amp?


He's hangin' out here now, it's only a matter of time.
 

english_bob

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I'm starting to get more involved with my church's worship team and now I've realized that I need a pedalboard. I'm looking to keep things cheap(er) but still get a tone close to Hillsong. I also play rythm for the most part.

I own a fender telecaster with single coil pick ups and my amp is a fender blues deluxe. I'm assuming I need overdrive/distortion, delay, and possibly reverb? What should I stack my overdrives with for rythm tone? What's a good delay pedal that is still decently cheap? I am so confused on this.

Also I do own an actual board which is the PT-2 and I own a voodoo lab ISO5 pedal power.

Any help?
Worship =/= sounding like Hillsongs/Jesus Culture/Delirious? etc

Play the way you want to play unless the worship leader specifically asks you to play a particular thing.

All that being said, a pedalboard with a couple of dirt pedals, delay and reverb will cover a LOT of bases and won't tie you down to Hillsongs-clonery.

The TS you have is a fine choice for one low/medium gain drive pedal, and it'll sound good with the guitar and amp you have (which are also fine choices). If you need a different drive sound you could consider a RAT, a Timmy, an OCD or just about any of the hundreds of OD and distortion pedals out there, many of which are just riffs on the tubescreamer circuit.

"Stacking" dirt pedals is just something it's *possible* to do, not a necessity in every situation. In my experience it's more applicable as a sort of "channel switching" effect for solos, big riff parts that need to stand out etc- one dirt pedal remains as a "base tone" and the second is switched in and out for extra "oomph". You may find that you can live with just the clean/slightly dirty amp tone for general rhythm and the Tubescreamer for the "extra grunt" parts.

Delay-wise, I'd be inclined to go for something with tap tempo (very important if you want to use that dotted-eighth repeat U2 sound) and probably something with presets so you can have some other sounds available easily. On a budget, I'd say that the Boss DD-20 was a great choice. If you can stretch to it (and I don't know what the US street price is, but it's certainly more than a used DD-20...) the Vox Delaylab is, IMO, the most full-featured "bang-for-the-buck" delay out there.
 

johnh

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Lots of your components are already good. your tube screamer is great, and I wouldn't choose an FDII to compliment it, since to Myers they require similar. However, an OCD, or a MXR Custom 78 Dist, a Timmy, etc are good, slightly flatter overdriven which are very different in feel tote fatter mids on your TS9.

Personally, when I'm playing in a worship setting, I like to have at least one modulation pedal available. I typically use a chorus, but set for quite unsubtle setting. I can use this to make some rhythm parts jump out of the mix a little.

For heavier rhythm parts, I often hear worship players using something like a phaser, flanger or, my favourite, a univibe to add texture.

Seeming like the Line 6 M9 would give you the option of many of these sounds inane pedal, which is known to be a very high quality. I tried the Marshall Regeneration pedal, which has many sounds, but I found almost all of the to be lacking quality.
 

treeuh

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Okay, coming from someone who hears Hillsong on a weekly basis-- there's no particular pedals that will get you "the Hillsong sound." The guys at church all have different gear, and the stuff that is somewhat popular is popular in circles outside of church as well.

The main thing that sets it apart is the playing style and use of delay/atmospheric stuff. For that, I'd say a Nova Delay, DD-7, Flashback, Nova Repeater... something along those lines. An interesting reverb pedal would add a little character, but overall, I'd say get two mid-gain pedals that you dig the sound of, get a good delay that you feel comfortable with and focus primarily on learning how to play the nuances of the parts. They sound simple, and technically they are; however, you can tell when a great player is playing them and when an amateur is playing them.

My suggested rig for you: Polytune > TS9DX > Hotcake/Red Snapper/Signa Drive > Nova delay/Delaylab > Hall of Fame.

I know the delay is a little above your price range, but you'll enjoy the flexibility if you really get serious about playing. The "?" is completely up to you, but the goal is to find a medium gain overdrive to get you a little heavier. I love my Menatone Red Snapper. The OCD v2 or v3, Crowther Hotcake, CMATMODS Signa Drive (really popular amongst the guitarists here), and Cusack Screamer are all good choices. The latter two are TS-based, which you might want to shy away from given your TS9DX (great pedal, btw).

At the end of the day, don't go about trying to copy Michael Guy Chislett, Nigel Hendroff, Daniel Carson (Chris Tomlin) or any of those guys' boards... sure, they sound great, but also realize that they play their own way-- as others have said, use it for inspiration, but find your own voice!
 

Footbutt

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At the end of the day, don't go about trying to copy Michael Guy Chislett, Nigel Hendroff, Daniel Carson (Chris Tomlin) or any of those guys' boards... sure, they sound great, but also realize that they play their own way-- as others have said, use it for inspiration, but find your own voice!
i could second this.
my pedalboard looks nothing like the other guitar players at my church. i'm the go-to ambient dude, but i also need to 'rock' when necessary. with P&W, flexibility whilst maintaining individuality is a good place to be, in my opinion.
 

guitarz1972

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Okay, coming from someone who hears Hillsong on a weekly basis-- there's no particular pedals that will get you "the Hillsong sound." The guys at church all have different gear, and the stuff that is somewhat popular is popular in circles outside of church as well.

The main thing that sets it apart is the playing style and use of delay/atmospheric stuff. For that, I'd say a Nova Delay, DD-7, Flashback, Nova Repeater... something along those lines. An interesting reverb pedal would add a little character, but overall, I'd say get two mid-gain pedals that you dig the sound of, get a good delay that you feel comfortable with and focus primarily on learning how to play the nuances of the parts. They sound simple, and technically they are; however, you can tell when a great player is playing them and when an amateur is playing them.

My suggested rig for you: Polytune > TS9DX > Hotcake/Red Snapper/Signa Drive > Nova delay/Delaylab > Hall of Fame.

I know the delay is a little above your price range, but you'll enjoy the flexibility if you really get serious about playing. The "?" is completely up to you, but the goal is to find a medium gain overdrive to get you a little heavier. I love my Menatone Red Snapper. The OCD v2 or v3, Crowther Hotcake, CMATMODS Signa Drive (really popular amongst the guitarists here), and Cusack Screamer are all good choices. The latter two are TS-based, which you might want to shy away from given your TS9DX (great pedal, btw).

At the end of the day, don't go about trying to copy Michael Guy Chislett, Nigel Hendroff, Daniel Carson (Chris Tomlin) or any of those guys' boards... sure, they sound great, but also realize that they play their own way-- as others have said, use it for inspiration, but find your own voice!
^Best in thread.
 






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