What scale is this?

[jzilla]

I'm sure every configuration of western tones has been named something. Does anyone know this one (similar to hungarian minor)?

1,2,b3,#4,#5,6,7

Thanks,
-j

 

[Seraphine]

It's very close to an Arabian scale...

1,2,b3,4,#4,#5,6,7

http://www.jazzguitar.be/exotic_guitar_scales.html

 

[Motterpaul]

Can a real scale have a three semitone jump in it? that b3 to #4 is a minor third. I vote for the Arabian scale.

 

[jzilla]

Can a real scale have a three semitone jump in it? that b3 to #4 is a minor third. I vote for the Arabian scale.

absolutely. a pentatonic scale is real, right? it's technically an augmented 2nd in this case. but a scale can have any arrangement of notes over any number of octaves.

cheers,
-j

 

[jzilla]

It's very close to an Arabian scale...

1,2,b3,4,#4,#5,6,7

http://www.jazzguitar.be/exotic_guitar_scales.html

thanks seraphine! i guess it be considered that with an omission. i wonder though, if it already has a name as is...

 

[russ6100]

Can a real scale have a three semitone jump in it? that b3 to #4 is a minor third. I vote for the Arabian scale.

yep. The Symmetrical Augmented has m3 intervals.

 

[celticelk]

Can a real scale have a three semitone jump in it? that b3 to #4 is a minor third. I vote for the Arabian scale.

Sure - harmonic minor and its modes all have that three-semitone interval (flat 6 to natural 7 in harmonic minor), though this particular scale is not a harmonic minor mode. No idea what you'd call it, or where it might be useful other than perhaps over a fully diminished chord (#4 standing in for b5).

 

[jzilla]

it's useful wherever you make it useful! what kind of question is that? hahaha...

been reading persichetti's book 'twentieth century harmony'. has a great chapter on scales that is very freeing.

 

[celticelk]

it's useful wherever you make it useful! what kind of question is that? hahaha...

been reading persichetti's book 'twentieth century harmony'. has a great chapter on scales that is very freeing.

I meant that I don't see an obvious chord for which it is an appropriate choice as a scale for soloing. Compositionally, of course, all bets are off.

Thanks for the Persichetti reference! I'll get that from my library.

 

[jzilla]

I meant that I don't see an obvious chord for which it is an appropriate choice as a scale for soloing. Compositionally, of course, all bets are off.

Thanks for the Persichetti reference! I'll get that from my library.

I suppose you could use the second mode over altered dominants...

Yeah, that persichetti book is really great. It's not a jazz book but I see no reason why these ideas can't be applied in the jazz context (and probably already are...).

Cheers!
-j

 

[Seraphine]

I suppose you could use the second mode over altered dominants...

Yeah, that persichetti book is really great. It's not a jazz book but I see no reason why these ideas can't be applied in the jazz context (and probably already are...).

Cheers!
-j

... with A... I'm doing Am-C-F7-F9

I like this Arabian slash whatnot of yours for the major minor feel and the almost record skipping double-take it offers of a cadence... if used for such...

Thanks for the ideas man....

 

[kimock]

I'm sure every configuration of western tones has been named something. Does anyone know this one (similar to hungarian minor)?

1,2,b3,#4,#5,6,7

Thanks,
-j

It's a mode of Romanian Major

Jeth's mode.

Petrushka chord with an extra piece of chicken maybe. . . That's probably the meat of it functionally, huh? Triads a tri-tone apart, right?

 

[jzilla]

It's a mode of Romanian Major

Jeth's mode.

Petrushka chord with an extra piece of chicken maybe. . . That's probably the meat of it functionally, huh? Triads a tri-tone apart, right?

I almost googled 'romanian major'. hahaha. (yeah, i don't like those 'ethnic' names. eg the oriental scale...)

Ah! Would you say it's the third mode of Jeth's mode? I hadn't heard of that... I'll have to spend some time with the Petrushka score. Thanks for chiming in Steve!

-j

ps glad this triggered some ideas seraphine. post some clips if you can!

 

[jzilla]

Actually, I was wrong about it being Jeth's mode starting on the 3rd scale degree. I'm not sure I see them being the same collection of notes.

??

-j

 

[kimock]

Actually, I was wrong about it being Jeth's mode starting on the 3rd scale degree. I'm not sure I see them being the same collection of notes.

??

-j

Yeah, I was thinking "mode of Jeth's", but maybe I've got it wrong.
You're scale is 2 1 3 2 1 2 1, correct?
Jeth's, 1 3 2 1 2 1 2?

If I screwed that up, that's the problem.

 

[jzilla]

You're scale is 2 1 3 2 1 2 1, correct?
Jeth's, 1 3 2 1 2 1 2?

I'm haven't seen that scale notation. How does it work?

My scale as compared to a major scale is 1 2 b3 #4 #5 6 7 or using set notation 0, 2, 3, 6, 8, 9, 11. Thanks!

-j

 

[kimock]

I'm haven't seen that scale notation. How does it work?

My scale as compared to a major scale is 1 2 b3 #4 #5 6 7 or using set notation 0, 2, 3, 6, 8, 9, 11. Thanks!

-j

Semi tones. From your 1 to 2 would be my first "2", then from your 2 to b3 would be "1", from your b3 to #4 would be "3" etc.
Distance in semi-tones, right?

 

[jzilla]

Semi tones. From your 1 to 2 would be my first "2", then from your 2 to b3 would be "1", from your b3 to #4 would be "3" etc.
Distance in semi-tones, right?

Ah, of course! Yup, 2 1 3 2 1 2 1 is right. So it is in fact different from Jeth's mode (which I'll have to check out...)

 

[cubistguitar]

think kimock's onto something.... if the scale is in C then it contains DF#A and AbCEb , throw in the B and voila. Those darn triad pairs sneak in again , and the classic triads @ tritone too!!

 

[jzilla]

think kimock's onto something.... if the scale is in C then it contains DF#A and AbCEb , throw in the B and voila. Those darn triad pairs sneak in again , and the classic triads @ tritone too!!

that's right! interesting... IIRC takemitsu uses two pentatonic scales with roots a tritone apart for 'a flock descends into the pentagonal garden'. another good example...