Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs' started by EADGBE, Feb 22, 2012.
What song or album has the definitive Greenback tone in your opinion? Please list all that apply.
Tough question. Everyone that knows about speaker characteristics can rattle off the qualities of a particular speaker, but real world examples are pretty tough to list. I know what GB's sound like with my amp (JCM 800) but I can't think of a classic recorded example.
Interested in this as well.
Sorta impossible to tell really since every guitar player plays the guitar so differently combined with different amp/eq settings its just too complex of a question.
THEN, to top it all off, the greenback is one of the most versatile speakers ever. Its the same speaker you hear on Cream as you do on Van Halen.
So it's Greenbacks on the first Van Halen album? That's a good start. I like that sound!
Yes, but its all debated up and down. Don't forget, the biggest factor in this debate is the fact that there is no ONE greenback.
• pulsonic cone 75hz
• pulsonic cone 55hz
• RIC cone 75
• RIC cone 55
• Mueller cone 75
• Mueller cone 55
and thats just the g12Ms... then there are the G12H speakers!
Van Halen was reported to use the 75hz Mueller cone Greenbacks.
Here is a comparison I did with my own speakers. Doesn't really mean anything, but both speakers in this comparison are considered "Greenbacks" and you can clearly hear how crazy different they sound even with the same guitar/amp/player/music:
Scumback M75 doing Van Halen
1974 Creamback doing Van Halen
Whatever model Greenback were in these cabs is IT for me.
Apparently Hendrix was quite fond of the Greenback. It's just that he kept blowing them. There's a good possibility that many of his recordings were made with them.
Ritchie Blackmore used G12H speakers in his VOX AC30 during the recording of "Machine Head", Deep Purple's masterpiece from Dec. '71.
"Smoke on the Water" is one of the songs in that album.
Here's a short lick from those sessions. Strat+AC30+G12H speakers:
The early ones were G12M 75Hz, the latter ones G12H 55Hz, hence the more fluid tone.
Mic choice, mic placement and engineer have about 1000% more to do with a recorded tone than the speaker type.
My Greenbacks submitting to my amp!
WOW!! those Creambacks sound clear
Only in the bottom two holes. The top two were JBL D120's. I cannot produce it right now, but there is photographic evidence that supports this conclusion.
If yuou really want to know what they sound like, just get Scott Henderson Live. Two discs totally enveloped in gb tone.
Just to illustrate how different the same speakers can sound depending on how the amp is set, FF to the 59 second point in this clip and listen to the end of the recording. Notice how much different the "Heavy Metal" riff sounds compared to the "Shoot to Thrill" riff. Same amp, same speakers (Greenbacks), same guitar; just different amp settings (Germino Club 40).
p.s. the chord voicing also makes things sound different.
The signature sound that makes me think of Greenbacks is what I call the baby cry (aka "Wyanh", like making fun of someone telling them to cry). Oh hell, just go to 1:40 on the clip and listen to that chord. That's what I'm *attempting* to describe. lol
I'm fairly certain Clapton is playing a cranked Marshall (probably a JTM45/100) into a 4x12 or two loaded with early 20 watt G12M Greenbacks on "Fresh Cream." That would have to be right at the top of any definitive Greenback tone list for me. That as well as most of the live Cream stuff.