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Whats a good 12 inch speaker

Gibson 1964

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to go with a blackface champ clone by frenzel? I would prefer the speaker to be able to handle 20+ Watts as certain output tubes can put out that much from it, though I currently use a 6k6.

I am going to be using an old Mesa 1x12 I got cheap as a combo housing. Any ideas?
 

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Man, it really depends on the tone and sound you want. If you want a clean sounding speaker that does not color the sound of your guitar or amp very much ( neutral sounding ) my preference is a Weber Cali 12 with a paper dust cap and little to no doping. Now, if you want the Brit Marshally tone with some crunch, a Celestion Greenback is a nice sounding speaker. Breaks up easily but will handle all that little amp can throw at it. Eminence makes a lot of speakers. I haven't tried them all but the ones I have, I have not been that pleased with. They handle power very well and are well made but, to my ears, they seem to lack that little something special. If you want a good sounding speaker that weighs a ton, look for an EV 12L or an old SRO. I do not think it would be needed in that low power amp though, plus they're expensive and very heavy.
 

Gibson 1964

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Man, it really depends on the tone and sound you want. If you want a clean sounding speaker that does not color the sound of your guitar or amp very much ( neutral sounding ) my preference is a Weber Cali 12 with a paper dust cap and little to no doping. Now, if you want the Brit Marshally tone with some crunch, a Celestion Greenback is a nice sounding speaker. Breaks up easily but will handle all that little amp can throw at it. Eminence makes a lot of speakers. I haven't tried them all but the ones I have, I have not been that pleased with. They handle power very well and are well made but, to my ears, they seem to lack that little something special. If you want a good sounding speaker that weighs a ton, look for an EV 12L or an old SRO. I do not think it would be needed in that low power amp though, plus they're expensive and very heavy.
cali 12 sounds good. Does it have good high end response? That is really important to me.

I have a Weber Axis 12 in the cab right now, but that is kind of ridiculously overpowered I think, but it sounds pretty good.
 

soundchaser59

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If the Axis sounds good you should stick with it, the power rating doesn't have anything to do with it if you like the sound.

The Cali does have great top end, but it is more honest than a lot of other Webers, and somewhat gritty on the lows. It will give you pretty much whatever raw lively sound your amp puts out. It's a bit too edgy for my tastes. The Blue Dog is nice, the Silver Bell is nice, but to me they sound like the lighter weight speakers that they are.

I like the heavy weight sound of Weber's High Power series, especially the ceramic Texas and Michigan. I've not been totally fond of Weber's alnico speakers, but Tone Tubby and Frenzel are a great match. The EV's are brutally honest and I have never felt like they compliment my Frenzel. I think EV's sound much better with more refined stuff like Mesa and Dr Z. Never acquired a special fondness for Eminence (except I like the CRex) and the Gold is the only Celestion speaker worth buying at my house.

I run my Frenzel on stage almost exclusively with a 12 inch Michigan, but I record with a 2x10 that has a Tone Tubby Superboy and a Weber Texas, both ways are great.
 

Gibson 1964

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I have a gold on my Frenzel Hot Box Wildcat. Thats a match I just don't think will get broken up.

At this point I am unsure about the Axis 12, because I am needing to make a high powered 2x12 for another amp.

I want the frenzel champ to be my grab and go little amp for goofing off with friends and maybe a church service.

I think the axis may sit tight for alittle while.
 

soundchaser59

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Frenzel and Tone Tubby are a match made in heaven. I know you have a 1x12 cab to fill, but I put a Tone Tubby Superboy 10 in a gutted out closed back 1x10 Peavey cab (it used to be a little toy bass amp) and I cut a 4x8 hole in the top of the speaker box (not the top of the cab where the handle is, but inside where the old amp used to be, the hole faces the inside of the top.....does that make sense?) so it acts like a port, and that Superboy is just awesome......clear highs, smooth mids with punch and definition, low end for days without farts, hemp cone smoothness.....and just one Superboy will handle the output from any amp Frenzel makes. WOW!
 




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