Discussion in 'Recording/Live Sound' started by jezzzz2003, Oct 24, 2008.
Whats everyone using and or prefer?
i was a professional drummer for a long time.
my favorite is beta 52
i really dislike a d112
if you are playing hard rock and want "click" and exaggerated low then audix d6
maybe a heil PR40
another nod for beta 52
Totally off topic, but is "kik" the industry standard notation for a kick drum? I've seen it many times, but I've always wondered if it is an aberration or an accepted standard.
It works for me when squeezing it into a scribble strip on a mixing board, just like vox for vocal or voice.
It's an aberration used so often that it's almost standard, used mostly as basso described.
To answer the O.P... I think the AKG D-112 and Shure Beta 52A are both good roadworthy kick... er, kik mics.
I got a Red5 RVD1 kick mic that worked really well in the studio, but I don't get the feeling it's as indestructible as those above.
I always just use "K" - never really mix it up with anything else.
And, it's ALWAYS on "Fader 1."
K, Sn, Hat, T1, T2, T3, OHL, OHR are what I use...
My favorite is the Beyer M88 TG. Hands down.
Much depends on the style or sound you are going for. There are lots of options out there nowadays. Most are heavily colored which often works well, but you should know what you're getting into. I can EQ an M88 to do pretty much whatever I need it to. Not so with a D112 or a Beta. I do like an SM or Beta 91 (iirc - the boundary mic) inside the drum.
A 57 actually works well if it's a small PA with limited LF response.
Something you probably wouldn't have done 20 years ago (with tape). Would have likely resulted in the kick being on an edge track.
It was generally recorded as an edge track, so's not to screw up two tracks, IIRC.
At least that's what I always did on the 2".
I dig the Beyerdynamic m88's and the Audio Technica ATM25's. A lot of people like the Audix for more of a modern thing...Really depends on what your sound is. The m88's and ATM25's are workhorses, either way. ATM25's sound great on floor toms, m88's can also be used as tom mics, or guitar amp mic (especially in conjunction w/ a 57).
Beta 52 user here.
When in a pinch, a 57 still works.
d112---sorry, but it works
Not even 20 years ago. I cut my teeth on analog tape in '93-95. And we were taught to put bass and kick on the outside tracks because the treble frequencies were more problematic. I don't remeber the exact reason (print through or head alignment?)
Anyway back to the OP. The best bang for yer buck IMO (especially for live) are the audio technica kick mics: the AT pro-25 (<$100) and the atm-25 ($125)
I love the M-88 for recording....but I don't think it'd be my first choice for a live mic.
Live, I'd probably be tempted to go with a tailored mic, like the audix D6, or AKG D112. Less EQ required at the board, which you probably don't have much control over except if you're doing your own sound.
Oh, and I always printed Kick to track 1 (and channel 1 of the mixer). I seem to remember SMPTE timecode tracks were particular about their positioning too, but I forget if you wanted it on an edge track, or if that was too risky for the fragile timecode signal....I think timecode went on track 23, but it's been a long time.
no need to be sorry when you speak the truth!
I'm sure there's more, but basically the same as I'd use in the studio and dependent on the style of music being played...
another nod for the 868. my FAVORITE kick mic (as well as the d6)