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What's the verdict on Richlite fingerboards?

Discussion in 'Guitars in General' started by PLAYLOUD, Jul 18, 2017.

  1. hunter

    hunter Supporting Member

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    Obviously, some will some won't. I suspect that anything less than un-dyed very dark ebony will be equally perceived as a deviation from tradition and a negative by a lot of folks. One thing for sure, exercising the options is going to piss somebody off. Time will tell.

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    Yes, we're in complete agreement. A fiberglass boat will perform perfectly, but if you wanted a mahogany boat, you wouldn't want fiberglass designed to look like mahogany. I wasn't suggesting it shouldn't matter to anyone, only that it really wouldn't matter to me personally. I was simply asking myself, if I wanted to buy a new Gibson, would a Richlite board be an issue and the answer is no, unless it would be structurally or cosmetically inferior. For me, a guitar's value is mainly in how good it is as a musical instrument. And of course I want it to look good as well.
     
  3. rsm

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    phenolic > richlite
    IMO

    Dear Gibson, if richlite is so superior and high tech, how come you didn't use it on your futuristic, high tech, game changing, Firebird X? o_O
     
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  4. PhilF

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    How so? Richlite is phenolic resin with cellulose pulp. They are two very similar materials. I'm curious as to why exactly you think one is better.
     
  5. DC1

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    I love the streaked and multi-colored ebony!

    BTW, just for the record, all sorts of exotic woods have been used as countertops.

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    was being facetious. I owned several original Steinbergers back in the day, still have my XL2, and have 4 Synapse SS-2F guitars currently, all phenolic...richlite is fine. Wish they'd use different colors though. I'd dig a white phenolic board on my white SS-2F for example.
     
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  7. Lex Luthier

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    I think Richlite has its uses, but if I'm plunking down big bucks for a high end tonewood guitar, I don't want a mother of bowling ball fingerboard on it. If it is a composite guitar, or something experimental/futuristic, then I don't have a problem with it.
     
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  8. Brewski

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    that's horse crap!! any claim by Gibson to increase their price while moving from wood to pressboard with resin that you can cut to any length with any saw is BS.
    Now -do I care if it's not Ebony and not Rosewood - Yes!! the reason is - lower the price.

    I want another Les Paul from Gibson but cannot buy a guitar with pearloid inlays, plastic nut, pressboard fretboard for over $1K or ever more when I can get the real deal from South Korea for sub $600.00

    Come on American Makers - bodies are made in CNC machines, Necks and Fretboards too - the tuners are all from China (Grover, Planet) bridges China, pickups - heck gimme Seymour Duncan for $180.00 - what is the cost - American labor? Seems ridiculous
     
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    Had an Aristides 060 here last week to work on it. For 3 days I thought it was ebony. It was richlite. Fine by me!
     
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    Never an issue for me although you'd think they'd be more adventurous with the colors/patterns.
     
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    Now that Gibson has returned to ebony, the richlite guitars should become more affordable very soon...
     
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    The reason I like richlite is that it represents an end product of my recycling of cardboard boxes. It's supposed to be expensive, due to the phenolic resins involved.

    I have one on my Martin D-16GT, which I inherited from a buddy. It plays fine, but needs electronics. I'm not a bluegrass fanatic.
     
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    "Now that Gibson has returned to ebony, the richlite guitars should become more affordable very soon..."

    I came here looking for info on richlite specifically because Gibson has indeed marked a couple of their $1600 LPs down to $1200.
     
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    I didn't realize Gibson sold production guitars with ebony fretboards. That's good to know.
     
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    Richlite is not a low-cost alternative to real woods. At best it's an equally-price alternative, but usually it's more expensive.
     
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    Thankfully, Gibson has dropped richlite from its 2019 lineup.
     
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    I own a Godin with Richlite. It's basically all black with no streaking so looks like a good piece of Ebony, and it plays similarly. It's unfinished so it's smooth like Ebony not sticky like a Finished Maple. It's very dense and durable so strings bend very nice, and it sounds good. Performance wise it's every bit as good as any wood. Just look at the comments where people thought they had ebony only to realize later on it was this synthetic Richlite stuff.

    Looking at the practical aspect it's very stable and durable. It helps stabilize the neck and it won't shrink and expand so with a perfect fret job the fret ends will stay perfect. For example I visited a local guitar shop and all the guitars had fret sprout due to bad humidity control, even $3000 Ibanez, Fenders, Jacksons, etc... The Godins were perfect from the manufacturer. So it's very practical and you don't need to condition the fretboard. Just clean it and you're good to go for the life of the guitar.

    Godin reminds me of Kiesel guitars in that they strive to use the best techniques in every aspect of the building process. The difference is that Keisel is custom built to order so they have the different wood options, while Godin is a production guitar so you get what the company decides. Robert Godin always strives to use the best parts and techniques so you get top of the line parts like sealed Toko Pots on circuit boards amongst others things. Techniques like a 5th screw on the neck joint and perfect setups make Godin build quality stand up to anything on the market. Their Tric foam cases are something else too in their price range. If Godin says Richlite is good you better believe it. There is a Cult following of their instruments in Canada and in the Jazz scene.

    My opinion is that Guitar players over analyze everything. Steve Vai could make a $300 squire sing like nobody else on this forum. It's all in the fingers. And guitar players can get quite snobbish with their instruments wanting all hardwood, and thinking that flame maple will make the guitar better than a regular maple cap. Guitars become collectors items not because of their quality but because of their history. And taking this into account many guitar players will not buy a guitar because it has Richlite instead of real wood. But not too many guitar players will turn down a guitar because it uses Ebony instead of Richlite. So from a business standpoint it makes sense to use Ebony or Rosewood instead of Richlite, otherwise snobbish guitar players will not buy it. Hence the reason Gibson tried it but stopped using it. Godin can use it exclusively without affecting sales because they have a dedicated fan base of customers who just know that Godin puts out one of the best American made instruments in it's price range. They are a working mans professional instrument. Jazz players and Synth guitar players need a high quality professional instrument with great tracking and that's what Godin and Richlite provide. Les Paul buyers want a guitar to play Rock n Roll and they want real wood just because they think it's better.

    In the end I would never turn a guitar down because it uses Richlite. The only reason I would exclusively demand real wood would be from a Collector's standpoint or if I wanted a custom design such as zebra wood, or a fully unfinished roasted maple neck/fretboard combo. But Richlite definitely deserves to be on a $3000 professional studio or touring guitar every bit as much as hardwood.
     
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    I don't know the pricing of Richlite nowadays, but the difference between Richlite and ebony back in 2012 was only about $35 from StewMac.
     
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    Yeah, I do. Some Martins are $7k and up. My HD-28V (ebony board) was $3k five years ago.
     
  20. sahhas

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    i need to read through this whole thread. I'm working on my next guitar and have thought about using richlite for the fretboard.
    I used to have a GL streinberger for about 12 years and honestly loved the feel of the Phenolic fingerboard....I also liked the feel of my Parker Nitefly guitar I had after the Steinbverger (it was carbon-glass construction)...so I'm curious if the Richlite feels similar to Phenolic?
    i know some people didn't like the feel of steinbergers, but I did like them....
    just curious...
     

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