When I push a Fender to more than '5' or '7',

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  1. bbutler123

    bbutler123 Member

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    it seems to poop out. It seems like the components are saying, "Man, I just can't keep up with all this volume we're being asked to produce."

    When I push a Marshall, it seems like it can go up to '7' and maybe even '10' without producing that component 'giving up' thing. It just remains strong.

    What is the difference in the two amp brands that would cause this phenomenon? Or don't other people notice it?
     
  2. dysorexia

    dysorexia Senior Member

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    I don't have that problem with my fenders or marshalls. Both sound great cranked up. What's the amp in question?
     
  3. DRS

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    Which Fender? You can't tell me that if turn a Twin Reverb to 7, it is out of breath? A Deluxe Reverb, yes. But that is part of what people want - that singing compressed tone as the smallish tranny and tube rectifier try to keep up.
     
  4. buddastrat

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    Don't get caught up in numbers. Go by sound, every amp has it's sweet spot. As for old Fenders, they have a loose bass, while Marshalls have tighter. That is a factor with volume. Something technical about the eq or tones being placed in different part of the circuit. I always like the Marshall design more. But I'm a rocker more than a blueser/
     
  5. Flogger59

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    Lower the bass control, that'll help.
     
  6. dmagalhaes

    dmagalhaes Supporting Member

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    I'm with Buddastrat. With Fenders, there really isn't any useful volume after 6-7 anyway and that is usually right around the sweetspot. Why would you even need to play a 40-50 watt amp on 10?
     
  7. vain_guitarist

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    "Fender" - what model?

    Smaller open-back combos can have a tough time being punchy especially in a large area without a back wall nearby. Has anything changed with regard to where you're using the amp now?
     
  8. AL30

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    Yep. Hard to answer your question without the necessary info.

    I don't like Deluxe Reverbs for that reason. But I've never had any problem with twin or a bassman. A twin on 7 will likely get you arrested.

    AL
     
  9. Tommy Biggs

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    I'm with this. Find the sweet spot. Use it.
     
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  10. Drewski

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    Man Im not sure what amps youre playin. Not tweeds or browns thats for sure.
     
  11. amphog

    amphog Silver Supporting Member

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    5-10 is more voice than volume, not only with Fenders
     
  12. diagrammatiks

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    in a direct comparison that will be the case.

    However, what people think as flubbing out or the sweet spot or the perfect amount of sag will differ.

    Marshall's have historically used more filtering.
     
  13. rmconner80

    rmconner80 Cantankerous Luddite Silver Supporting Member

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    The corollary to this: don't ask an amp (Fender) to do what it can't (Marshall).

    Interestingly, some old Fenders are 'sweeter' than others. Some of this comes down to the circuit / model differences; some the speaker /tube / bias / voltage differences (even between examples of the same model), and some comes down to just a random assortment of variables that are difficult to pin down and quantify. Some just have it, some just don't> the ones that don't seem stiff, they seem to fight you at break up, they seem to be farty / nasty / unpleasant.
     
  14. ken374

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    Good question I ask my self about amps, almost every amp did that, too many watts for my bacement (100 watts) engl or JVM 50 watt into a 412 greenbacks. But lower watt 15 vox hw and VHT 6 watt can dime it easy and sounds great! fender supersonic or class 5 can dime also:):mmm
     
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    I've never owned any older Fender that does that. I have heard plenty of their new offerings do this. For my money though, their new amps are garbage.
     

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