Where can I find a LOT of pentatonic licks...

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  1. GuitaristZ

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    Im teaching my students the minor pentatonic scales right now all over the neck, and I want to find some licks that I can show them so that they can apply the scale to their playing, soloing, etc.


    I guess teaching them some classic rock songs would do, but I would rather just have the good bits (the licks).
     
  2. Scott Auld

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    The entire Led Zeppelin catalog?
     
  3. bynt

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    Show them Machine Gun. Or, what I do is show them the scale on one string, have them learn the numbers, and then show them how the numbers correspond from one string to the next. That shows them "how to fish" instead of buying them one.

    Barring that, the book "Blues You Can Use" goes through great pains in showing all the different pentatonic positions if you can hold their attention. It's a pretty good book that several of my students enjoy.
     
  4. triple_vee

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    any of the simple srv solos. it's amazing that how inventive his phrases are for just playing the pentatonic box. a lot of it in just one position.

    mary had a little lamb
    crossfire
    etc.
     
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    I've always wanted to yell this




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    Actually, I'd prefer pretty much anything from Gilmour. ABITW PArt II, Comfortably Numb, Time, Breathe REprise ( great for improv)they are all just Bm box pretty much, Red House is another great one, Metallica solos are an easy place to find the box, NEM is pretty approachable as a place to start.
     
  6. countandduke

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    Eric Johnson? Look for some Shawn Lane pentatonic licks on youtube. He fingers them in an interesting way...

    Good luck...

    Chris

    Hendrix' "Them Changes" is pretty pentatonic based...
     
  7. Clifford-D

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    An interesting idea might be to show a few licks to demonstrate the Pentatonic "Box" areas.
    There are five box areas

    Am or A7
    .box1..................box2...........box3..............box4..............box5
    |---------------5-8-|--------8-10-|----------10-12-|----------12-15-|-------------15-17-|-|
    |-----------5-8-----|---8-10------|----10-13-------|----13-15-------|-------15-17-------|-|
    |-------5-7---------|-9-----------|-12-------------|-14-------------|-14-17-------------|-|
    |---5-7-------------|-------------|----------------|----------------|-------------------|-|
    |-------------------|-------------|----------------|----------------|-------------------|-|
    |-------------------|-------------|----------------|----------------|-------------------|-|

    Box 1 - is very popular and concidered "homebase" by most people.
    Bendind the 3rd string, 7th fret, a whole catalog of classic licks start with
    that bend, Clapton is at the top of my list.

    Box2 - is what I've heard called "The Albert King box"
    Bending the 1st string 10th fret followed by the little quick back sweep
    from 1/8 to 2/10 followed by that Albert vibrato, SRV did it so well.

    Box3 - arguably the least popular of the boxes, getting too far from homebase.
    But I tell my students how Santana loves this box and
    that makes many a believer.
    And then I turn them on to the related "BB box" and they drool.

    A7 - A6 - I chord
    |------------10-12-|
    |------10-12-------|
    |---11-------------|
    |------------------|
    |------------------|
    |------------------|

    Box4 - I always associate with the "fast part" of the
    Stairway to Heaven solo, that repetative thing.
    This also a nice area to migrate to from homebase.
    Many famous licks in this box.

    Box5 - I dig this box because of the way it lines up with the Major pent
    Makes for many classic blues and country/sweet licks. This is a great
    area for classic turnarounds to be found.









     
  8. Shiny McShine

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    Have 'em get Andy Aldort's Axis DVD. It's full of timeless maj/min pentatonic licks. Most are pretty accessible for an intermediate player. So I'm saying Axis Bold as Love is a great disk for this sort of thing.
     
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    That sounds interesting ..... do you have any example of that? I still get freaking lost every now and then and I've been playing more years than I'd like to admit. :messedup
     
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    Sure!!! I’d be happy to, although I don’t know if it will make sense trying to write it out.

    What I’ll have folks do is learn the pentatonic on say like the low E string:

    Open

    Third fret

    fifth fret

    seventh fret

    tenth fret

    twelfth fret

    That’s a pentatonic minor. Then, I’ll show them the first note is root or one (I), then the third fret is the third (iii), the next fret is the fourth, then the fifth, then the seventh. So we’ve got: one, three, four, five, seven, one.

    Then I’ll show them that means: Root, step and a half, step, step, step and a half, root, all on one string still. Then after learning it on one string (the root, step and half, step blah blah thing) then I show them how that translates from one string to the next.

    On any string that’s not going from g to b, a note that’s one step down and one string over (towards the floor) is a step and a half. If going from the g to b, then it’s one string down, and a HALF step over. I’m sure you probably know this already.

    So the main thing is that if they can remember the spacing (root, step and a half, etc) and what the numerical value is of the scale (I, iii, IV, V, etc) then really they can find the pentatonic anywhere on the fret board in any position.

    This is so confusing sounding trying to write it out. It really is a cool way to learn the scale all over the neck but I don’t know if I’m doing it justice by writing it.

    I hope it makes sense. Good luck with it and holler at me if I can clarify anything.
     
  11. Austinrocks

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    here is a lesson I wrote a while back, no licks but some interesting aspects of the pentatonic

    What follows are some techniques for extending your playing.

    Each Key will have certain chord combinations. The Key of G, a popular key has the chords
    G..............G B D......Ionic Mode
    Am............A E C......Dorian Mode
    Bm............B F# D....Phrygian Mode
    C..............C E G......Lydian Mode
    D..............D F# A....Mixolydian Mode
    Em............E G B.....Aeolian Mode
    F#dim........F# A C...Lydian Mode
    The Pentatonic Scale will work for all corresponding Modes of a Key, the Major Pentatonic
    lacks the 4th and 7 which conflict between the Ionic, Lydian and Mixolydian Modes.
    Ionian Mode...........1 2 3 4 5 6 7............W W H W W W H
    Lydian Mode...........1 2 3 #4 5 6 7..........W W W H W W H
    Mixolydian Mode.....1 2 3 4 5 6 b7...........W W H W W H W
    Major Pentatonic.1 2 3 5 6, no 4th or 7th
    The Minor Pentatonic Scale works for the Minor Modes of the Diatonic Scale
    except the Locrian which has a b5, The Minor Pentatonic lacks the 2nd and 6th
    which conflict in the Minor Modes Dorian, Phrygian and Aeolian Modes.
    Dorian Mode.......1 2 b3 4 5 6 b7...........W H W W W H W
    Phrygian Mode.....1 b2 b3 4 5 b6 b7.......H W W W H W W
    Aeolian Mode......1 2 b3 4 5 b6 b7..........W H W W H W W
    Locrian Mode......1 b2 b3 4 b5 b6 b7.......H W W H W W W
    Minor Pentatonic..1 b3 4 5 b7 no 2nd or 6th
    In the Key of G the G Major Scale and E Minor Scale have
    the same notes and can easily be combined extending the playing Range on the neck.
    E Minor Scale extended to a High G on the bottom e string.
    --------------------12-------14---15-----
    --------------------12---13-------15-----
    ---------------11--12-------14----------
    --------------------12-------14-----------
    --------------------12-------14---15------
    --------------------12-------14---15------
    G Major Scale extended to a High B on the bottom e String
    -----------------------------14---15--------17---
    -----------------------------------15--------17---
    -----------------------------14--------16---17---
    -----------------------------14--------16---17---
    -----------------------------14---15--------17---
    -----------------------------------15--------17---
    Combining these I get an Em/Gmaj Scale:
    --------------------12-------14---15--------17---
    --------------------12---13-------15--------17---
    ---------------11--12-------14--------16---17---
    --------------------12-------14--------16---17---
    --------------------12-------14---15--------17---
    --------------------12-------14---15--------17---
    The Major Pentatonic Scale for C major is:
    -------------5-----------8------------------
    -------------5-----------8------------------
    -------------5-------7----------------------
    -------------5-------7----------------------
    -------------5-------7----------------------
    -------------------------8------------------
    The Minor Pentatonic Scale for A minor is
    -------------5------------------------------
    -------------5-----------8------------------
    -------------5-------7----------------------
    -------------5-------7----------------------
    -------------5-------7----------------------
    -------------5-----------8------------------
    these two Pentatonic Scales can be combined to form what
    I call a Am/Cmaj Pentatonic Scale:
    -------------5-----------8------------------
    -------------5-----------8------------------
    -------------5-------7----------------------
    -------------5-------7----------------------
    -------------5-------7----------------------
    -------------5-----------8------------------
    This Pentatonic is commonly extended to:
    -------------5-----------8-------10---------
    -------------5-----------8-------10---------
    -------------5-------7-------9--------------
    -------------5-------7----------------------
    -------------5-------7----------------------
    -------------5-----------8------------------
    A simple extension of the Am/Cmaj Pentatonic is:
    ------3------5-----------8-------10---------
    ------3------5-----------8-------10---------
    -------------5-------7-------9--------------
    -------------5-------7----------------------
    ------3------5-------7----------------------
    ------3------5-----------8------------------
    A more complex extension of the Pentatonic is:
    ------3------5-----------8-------10---------
    ------3------5-----------8-------10---------
    -------------5-------7-------9--------------
    -------------5-------7-----------10---------
    ------3------5-------7-----------10---------
    ------3------5-----------8-------10---------
    Another version of the Am/Cmaj Pentatonic starting on the A string is:
    ----------------------------15-----17------20---
    ------------------13-------15-----17-----------
    -------------12-------14-----------------------
    -------------12-------14-----------------------
    -------------12------------15------------------
    -----------------------------------------------
    or
    ----------------------------15-----17------20---
    ------------------13-------15-----17-----------
    --------------12-------14-----------------------
    ------10-----12-------14-----------------------
    --------------12--------------------------------
    -----------------------------------------------
    of course this can be moved to the open position for:
    -----------3------5-----------8-----
    ----1------3------5-----------------
    0------2----------------------------
    0------2----------------------------
    0----------3------------------------
    ------------------------------------
    or
    0----------3------5-----------8-----
    ----1------3------------------------
    0------2----------------------------
    0------2----------------------------
    0----------3------------------------
    ------------------------------------
    An Extended version of this pentatonic is:
    -----10------12------------15-----17------20---
    -----10-----------13-------15-----17-----------
    -------------12-------14-----------------------
    -----10------12-------14-----------------------
    -----10------12------------15------------------
    -----------------------------------------------
    You can play the bottom e note on the top string extending this Pentatonic to:
    -----10------12------------15-----17------20---
    -----10-----------13-------15-----17-----------
    -------------12-------14-----------------------
    -----10------12-------14-----------------------
    -----10------12------------15------------------
    -----10------12------------15------------------

    you can use the corresponding Pentatonics to fill in the scale
    G..............G B D...Ionic Mode...............G Major Pentatonic
    Am............A E C...Dorian Mode............A Minor Pentatonic
    Bm............B F# D..Phrygian Mode.........B Minor Pentatonic
    C...............C E G...Lydian Mode............C Major Pentatonic
    D...............D F# A..Mixolydian Mode......D Major Pentatonic
    Em.............E G B...Aeolian Mode...........E Minor Pentatonic
    F#dim.........F# A C..Lydian Mode
    Just like the A Minor and C major Pentatonics having the same notes, the
    B Minor and D Major Pentatonics have the same notes, and the E Minor and
    G Major Pentatonics have the same notes.
    A Minor and C Major Pentatonic share the same notes:
    A Minor Pentatonic is: A C D E G A, no 2nd or 6th or B and F#
    C Major Pentatonic is: C D E G A C, no 4th or 7th or F# and B

    B Minor and D Major Pentatonic share the same notes:
    B Minor Pentatonic is: B D E F# A B, no 2nd or 6th or C and G
    D Major Pentatonic is: D E F# A B D, no 4th or 7th or G and C

    E Minor and G Major Pentatonic share the same notes:
    E Minor Pentatonic is: E G A B D E, no 2nd or 6th or F# and C
    G Major Pentatonic is: G A B D E G, no 4th or 7th or C and F#
    If I combine the Am/Cmaj Pentatonic and Bm/Dmaj Pentatonic I get
    all of the notes in the G Major Scale.
    Am/Cmaj Pentatonic: A C D E G A
    Bm/Dmaj Pentatonic: B D E F# A B
    Combine to give the Notes in the G Major Scale, G A B C D E F# G,
    Am/Cmaj Pentatonic
    -------------5-----------8------------------
    -------------5-----------8------------------
    -------------5-------7----------------------
    -------------5-------7----------------------
    -------------5-------7----------------------
    -------------5-----------8------------------
    Bm/Dmaj Pentatonic
    ---------------------7-----------10-------------
    ---------------------7-----------10------------
    ---------------------7--------9---------------
    ---------------------7--------9--------------
    ---------------------7--------9--------------
    ---------------------7------------10----------
    results in
    -------------5-------7----8------10--....A B C D
    -------------5-------7----8------10--....E F# G A
    -------------5-------7-------9--------....C D E
    -------------5-------7-------9--------....G A B
    -------------5-------7-------9--------....D E F#
    -------------5-------7----8------10--....A B C D
    If you look at the notes listed I have all the notes for the Key of G If I use the
    extended version of the Am/Cmaj Pentatonic Scale
    ------3------5------------8-------10---------
    ------3------5------------8-------10---------
    -------------5-------7--------9--------------
    -------------5-------7------------10---------
    ------3------5-------7------------10---------
    ------3------5------------8-------10---------
    And an extended version of the Bm/Dmaj Pentatonic Scale
    -------------5-------7------------10--------12---
    -------------5-------7------------10--------12---
    ---------------------7-------9---------11--------
    ---------------------7-------9--------------12---
    -------------5-------7-------9--------------12---
    -------------5-------7------------10--------12---
    and add the Extended Em/G Pentatonic at the 12 fret I get

    ------3------5-------7----8--------10-------12-------X----15--------17---
    ------3------5-------7----8--------10-------12---X--------15--------17---
    -------------5-------7--------9---------11--12-------14-------16---------
    -------------5-------7--------9----10-------12-------14-------X-----17---
    ------3------5-------7--------9----10-------12-------14---X---------17---
    ------3------5-------7----8--------10-------12-------X----15--------17---
    The X denote missing notes in the scale that are not covered by the Em/Gmaj Pentatonic.
    After using this technique I know to use the combined E Natural Minor /G Major Scale
    --------------------12-------14---15--------17---
    --------------------12---13-------15--------17---
    ---------------11--12-------14--------16---17---
    --------------------12-------14--------16---17---
    --------------------12-------14---15--------17---
    --------------------12-------14---15--------17---
    The missing notes are filed in.

    ------3------5-------7----8--------10-------12--------14---15--------17---
    ------3------5-------7----8--------10-------12---13--------15--------17---
    -------------5-------7--------9---------11--12--------14-------16----17---
    -------------5-------7--------9----10-------12--------14-------16----17---
    ------3------5-------7--------9----10-------12--------14---15--------17---
    ------3------5-------7----8--------10-------12--------14---15--------17---

    I can use the same technique to fill in the notes any where on the guitar, I show it
    from 5 to 17 which is an octave it should be obvious that the technique will fill
    in the rest of the neck.
     
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    Thanks guys, that is something to sink our teeth into!

    As it is, I don't know much of the theory, but just know the mechanics of several penetonic minor scales and many of the connecting notes. I have no idea what I am playing other than it fits the key of the song that I am playing. When or if I get lost, I usually jump back to my root and then am ok, but it kills the solo because it's like going somewhere, taking a wrong turn and after that, the solo many times doesn't flow too well after that.

    By learning some of this theory, and learning the all the fretboard notes, I think this would be a big leap forward. :) Thanks again for the taking the time.
     
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    If you're already using the Minor Pentatonic scales and you also are looking to get into some general theory, I have two things at my lesson site that will be of use to you:

    Advanced Pentatonic Tutorial: http://lessons.mikedodge.com/lessons/AdvPent/AvdPentTOC.htm


    Beginner to Advanced Series (for theory, read Intervals, then Chord Construction, then Diatonic Theory): http://lessons.mikedodge.com

    Those should help you with both of your quests and also help you from getting stuck in "boxes".
     
  14. GuitaristZ

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    whoa...where are the rest of your lessons man...that is some meaty material right there.
     
  15. Austinrocks

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    Thanks Dr Tweed,

    a couple things that might help

    1) learning the fretboard is easy, just write out the notes on a piece of paper and throw away the paper, do this a couple of times and you will know the notes.

    2) a simple way to expand your playing is to understand that the Chords are in the key you want to play, and the Pentatonics avoid the conflicting notes in the modes, so if you play the Pentatonic of the Chord you will expand your playing, it will actually give you all the notes in the key, the chord gives you 3 notes each pentatonic gives you 5 notes in the key, and if you play the two Pentatonics that close to each other you get all the note of the key, in this example its A Minor and D Major or B Minor same thing

    Example, Chords are G D Am, this gives you three pentatonics.

    G Major --- G Major Pentatonic
    D Major --- D Major Pentatonic
    A Minor --- A Minor Pentatonic

    The problem is most of use just play out of one Pentatonic, there you can expand by playing out of all three.

    Also your just looking for notes, soloing is not scales practice, so use all the notes the Pentatonics give you including those out of the relative minor

    G Major Pentatonic and E Minor Pentatonic same notes
    D Major Pentatonic and B Minor Pentatonic same notes
    C Major Pentatonic and A Minor Pentatonic same notes

    if you want to get theortical its and understand the modes

    G Major and E Aeolian
    D Mixolydian and B Phyrigian
    C Lydain and A Aeolian

    however I really don't sweat the modes, just understand that the Pentatonics are giving me notes that I can use for soloing in the key.

    3) A usefull pattern that I developed is a combined Major Scale and Minor Scale

    for the key of G or E Relative Minor, they are the same notes,

    E Minor Scale at the 12 fret so you can see the pattern, this is a soloing pattern, so it extends to G

    --------------------12-------14---15--
    --------------------12---13-------15--
    ---------------11--12-------14--------
    --------------------12-------14-------
    --------------------12-------14---15--
    --------------------12-------14---15--

    G Major Scale starting at the 15 fret, this is a soloing pattern so it extends to A
    -----------------------------14---15--------17---
    ----------------------------------15--------17---
    -----------------------------14--------16---17---
    -----------------------------14--------16---17---
    -----------------------------14---15--------17---
    -----------------------------------15--------17---

    The combined pattern is E Minor and G Major

    --------------------12-------14---15--------17---
    --------------------12---13-------15--------17---
    ---------------11--12-------14--------16---17---
    --------------------12-------14--------16---17---
    --------------------12-------14---15--------17---
    --------------------12-------14---15--------17---

    This is also a common Penatonic pattern,

    E Minor pentatonic showing the notes on the 17 fret

    --------------------12------------15--------17---
    --------------------12------------15--------17---
    --------------------12-------14--------16--------
    --------------------12-------14-------------17---
    --------------------12-------14-------------17---
    --------------------12------------15--------17---

    so it should be easy to use the pattern in your playing
     
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    I posted my lessons on gennations forum site, but right now I am not able to link to it.
     
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    Hey Austin, that forum hosting site was taken down around Thanksgiving last year. You can create your own forum/site here though: freeforums.org/

    My new one is there now, I'm just haven't put the word out yet as I'm trying to repost the lesson material there and get things straightened out: http://mikedodge.freeforums.org/

    Just go ahead and make your own site there and you'll have a repository to link back to :)
     
  18. Austinrocks

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    Mike, sounds like a handy thing to have. Will definitely check it out

    thanks
     
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    This may be a bit too obvious, but:

    Allman Brothers at The Fillmore East. Love it, learn it, live it. :)
    It's a veritable bible of using the major and minor pentatonics. Not to mention gorgeous phrasing, timing, building a solo, playing with feeling. And other stuff as well of course, but you if you get that album under your fingers, you're a player.
     
  20. GuitaristZ

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    thanks Soundhound I will check that out!
     

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