Where did we get the idea that all the decent wood is gone?

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  1. COYS

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    Well sure, if we cut certain trees faster than they grow, there will be fewer of those trees than there once were. But does that mean the wood is actually scarce?

    New York saw a net loss of population over the last few years, but go there and you'll see people aren't scarce ;)

    And is the distinction between Braz and EIR or any other fretboard wood that exists meaningful, or is it revered primarily for reasons of nostalgia? (and because a small number of people will pay a massive upcharge because it's "correct"...)

    That's really the question - where did the belief come from that the first woods used in guitarmaking were the end-all, and all other woods forever are inferior?
     
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    Source?
     
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    There is good wood out there but not enough for large scale production. You have to pay for it. Brazilian rosewood, ebony, dark Indian rosewood, top grade korina, Adirondack spruce, etc are all pretty much reserved for custom made guitars and short runs as they are all heavily regulated now. The sad thing is most of this wood by far is in the form of expensive furniture and elaborate staircases. Guitars use miniscule amounts of wood in contrast.
     
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    Why is "dark indian rosewood" better?
     
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    I read my post a few times over and cant seem to find where I said dark Indian rosewood is better.
     
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    I've got 3 guitars that I made from junk wood I got from work:aok:beer
     
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    OP: From people trying to justify the asking prices of old guitars, of course. But it's funny how the old wood on a burst is somehow better than the same year of wood on another Gibson. Things that make you go hmmm.
     
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    That is an assertion, is there any evidence for it? An electric guitar is for the most part, a motor. I'm not sure an alternator in a car works much different if its mounting bracket is made of aluminum vs steel
     
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    A car is not largely built out of an alternator's mounting bracket (whereas guitars are made largely out of wood), so that's not a very sensible analogy to begin with. I know there are people on both sides of the argument, but the fact is that different woods resonate differently and I do think that plays a role in the overall tone of the instrument. I don't think it's the only thing that matters (or even the most important thing) and of course there are lots of other factors at play, but I also don't agree with the people who say wood doesn't play a part in things at all.
     
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    You said “we”. Who has the idea there is no more decent wood available for guitar making? Please post who you are you quoting and what they said.
     
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    In the guitar building world, there are many who believe that "good" means "the same as it was 60-70 years ago". Now, if we are saying that the characteristics of certain species now compared to 60-70 years ago have shifted, then yes, it has. The average density, age of tree, etc. is very different now than it was, especially for mahogany and maple which are widely used in the furniture and many other industries. That doesn't mean the wood is bad. It does mean it is different.

    I build a few guitars a year from scratch, sourcing my own rough lumber. It takes a very (and I mean VERY) long time to find suitable material in certain species that was once more common. There is much higher demand, so what can be found is more expensive and/or of lesser quality. Now, there are tons of non-traditional species as far as guitars go, so we have lots of options, but guitarists are super traditional. Thus the demand for wood, technology, and designs from the days of yore. I get it. I have a nice, light LP gold top I built that is wonderful to play. But I also have built much more modern designs with less traditional materials and they also play great and sound amazing.
     
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    Careful now,, their are those, who, over in the "Amps & Cabs" forum would have your head on a pike if you suggested that their Pine speaker cabs, or their Fender amps, (with Pine cabinets,) did not have the "real" tone.
    Yep,, common 1x12 shelving material,, complete with knots, shakes, pitch pockets, and run-out grain.
    :anon:brick
     
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    Climate change? There's just too many people.
     
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    Where did we get the idea that all the decent wood is gone?

    The manufactures tell us by hoarding all the good stuff.
    And slowly releasing limited edition guitars for big $$$$.
     
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    Yep. Either we as a species are going to have to figure out a way to cull the population or nature will do it for us.
     
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    Hey, I'm dying as fast as I can over here.;)
     
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    I feel the same way. :(
     
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    Or move to another planet and start the process all over again
     
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    Elon Musk is working on it. All the billionaires are going to migrate to another planet and leave the mess behind for us.
     
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