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Discussion in 'Effects, Pedals, Strings & Things' started by LikeAMotherF, Jan 29, 2020.
I use a Phase 90, and it goes before my drive. Why? Because EVH did it that way.
I have a whirlwind orange box and use it after the wah and fuzz but before the overdrives.
I haven’t experimented with the placement in a long time, but for the longest time I ran my Dunlop mxr phase 90 and evh phase 90 in the loop or after the dirt anyway. I remember thinking that it sounded more organic before dirt and blended with the signal better.
Early in the chain. After wireless and wah, before dirt.
analog modulation before and digital modulation after dirt ..... usually
Since my phaser, flanger, and stereo delay are all in the same box (Polymoon), there's really only one place I can put it. Running W/D/W, it's first in line as the stereo split point in the wet chain.
First in chain for me.
I tend to only use it with clean sounds so it doesn’t really matter though
Interestingly, when I was trying to figure out my chorus pedal, I started with before dirt. It sounded great. Then I tried it after dirt. And I thought to myself- "now *that* sounds like some good ol fashioned Van Halen!"
I don't know anything about his set up, gear, etc. I'm not even that familiar with his tone. I respect the eff out of him as a musician, but his 'thing' has never been a personal benchmark for me. So maybe in my head I'm just conflating his tone with cheesy 80's tones?
Either way, I decided to keep my chorus after dirt. Because it sounded like EVH to me!
After fuzz, after delay, before overdrive
I think the chorus when he started using it was likely after the preamp. I'm not an expert on his rig, but I think he was still reamping in the mid 80's when the sound got more chorus heavy, and I think it was rack based so it would've gone after the first head, or in an effects loop.
The phase 90 was definitely in front though, and it's all over the first album.
Phaser before dirt. Flanger after.
Before dirt (but after a clean boost can be ok). Phase does something weird (to my ears) after dirt pedals - it sounds like a bad modeler to me.
My Whirlwind Orange Box is after a Micro Flanger, before a Carbon Copy, all in front of a Mesa Roadster!
In between dirts is great, especially if you have a dumb number of dirt pedals to work with. I have a Phase 95 after a fuzz (Idiotbox Dungeon Master) and an OD (Tronographic Boxidizer), and before an OD (Fuzzrocious Demon) and a fuzz (SUF Sonic Generator).
Next to my Tricorder.
I kind of arrived at that sweet spot too.
For me, the classic dirty phaser tones of the ‘70s were out in front of a Marshall (Zeppelin The Rover, Van Halen’s first album, etc.). So phase before dirt makes sense for those tones.
The dirt washes the phasing away a bit, but that’s fine. I only want it really phased out on clean tones anyway. Turn the distortion or OD pedal off, and you can have a heavily phased clean tone.
The tricky one for me is getting Gilmour phase tones. He was always a pedal, not a amp, dirt guy. I read he used to put the phase (and Uni-vibe) before, but later switched to after. Huh???
Always liked this demo...
It depends on the phaser. I use them all over the board.
I'm especially liking them after delay before verb - Tame Impala style.
I use it before my drives. It’s a little more subtle, and it nails the tones I want from Have A Cigar. LOL
I run all my modulations pre-drive - Chorus, Vibrato, Phaser & Flanger. I prefer how they embed themselves in the sound and push different frequencies into compression depending on their sweep - I always think they sound less like 'effects' and more like a 'finished' guitar tone doing it that way. But nowadays, I'm finding myself getting overdrive more & more just by cranking my amps rather than using pedals, so running modulations into the front of the amp the effect is the same.
I like Phaser before dirt. Flanger and Chorus always sound better after dirt, IMO but Phaser sounds better to me before.