After going back and forth between atleast 15 different amps Ive narrowed down my search for the ultimate amp to 2 Diezels: The Diezel VH4/VH4-S (not sure) or The Diezel Herbert. (I am going to run the one I choose threw a Diezel 4X12) I was wondering which one would be better for me, I play in a band that likes to play LOUD! I want to have a very, very CLEAN clean sound out of it because I like to use delays alot with clean, But, I also NEED the amp to be able to produce extremely high gain sounds, ones that would make a triple rectifier cry. I also want it to have a nice channel 2/OD channel. My style of music/my bands style of music ranges from- Blues rock/classic rock/funk/metal/brit pop/brit rock, and just about every style. Distortion/fuzz is a big part of my sound. As many of you on here know I am VERY big on fx pedals and NEED, I cant stress this enough, NEEEEEDD the amp to handle effects very well and dont want the tone yo get coloured too much. I will be running anywhere from 10-20+ pedals into the amp at any givven time based on which board(s) I am running. I will be using a Fender Lite ash strat and a 52' ri. Tele threw it, and am currently saving up for either a James trussart steelcaster or another strat of some sort. As I said we play LOUD and I dont want the clean to break up too much at high volumes, would a THD hot plate help me out? Well tell me which one you guys think would suit my needs the best. I tried both of them out at a recent guitar show that was held in Toronto and really, really liked both equally. I didnt have enough time with them so I dont really remeber much, except for the VH4 had a crazy amount of gain on CH.4...almost tooo much! Thanks in advance for suggestions. In case your wondering the other amp that was close to these was the Bad Cat customshop a/b 50, but Im looking for a nice high gain head with good clean that I can plug into a 4x12 and want it to have fx loop, and other features. Plain and simple, I like the Diezels more.